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How Many More Young Lives Will Be Lost Before Some Form Of Positive Action Takes Place? All We Seem To Hear Is "that No Arrests Have Been Made".
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For those who are more concerned with the gun crime in faraway America this is what is happening in your own country.
And know this is not from your hated Daily Mail, but from your favourite newspaper.
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And know this is not from your hated Daily Mail, but from your favourite newspaper.
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AOG - // It is not I that holds a daily obsession with race, it is those others like yourself, who shout racist from the rooftops at any criticism regarding mass immigration and our rising crime rate. //
If you can find any post on any section of this site when I have used the term 'racist' when referring to mass immigration and a rising crime rate, I will be very interested to see it.
Hint - don't bother looking, you won't find one.
If you can find any post on any section of this site when I have used the term 'racist' when referring to mass immigration and a rising crime rate, I will be very interested to see it.
Hint - don't bother looking, you won't find one.
AOG - // For those who are more concerned with the gun crime in faraway America this is what is happening in your own country. //
Once again you make a completely false link between what you perceive as interest in crimes abroad equating to a lack of concern about crimes here.
And once again your link is erroneous.
Once again you make a completely false link between what you perceive as interest in crimes abroad equating to a lack of concern about crimes here.
And once again your link is erroneous.
THECORBYLOON
So what you are really saying is that if the police know who these gang members are, they should not be arrested because there is no proof that they do belong to a drug gang.
What about if they suspect that a house contains a cannabis growing area, should they not be breaking the door down in a dawn raid?
So what you are really saying is that if the police know who these gang members are, they should not be arrested because there is no proof that they do belong to a drug gang.
What about if they suspect that a house contains a cannabis growing area, should they not be breaking the door down in a dawn raid?
AOG - // I have not said that people should be more upset because the victims are black, I was just assuming that they would taking into account the support that that section of the community get. //
I did not suggest that you did, I questioned your observation that some on here are 'protecting' criminals, a point which you have yet to address.
I did not suggest that you did, I questioned your observation that some on here are 'protecting' criminals, a point which you have yet to address.
AOG - // So what you are really saying is that if the police know who these gang members are, they should not be arrested because there is no proof that they do belong to a drug gang. //
It has already been pointed out to you that belonging to a drug gang is not in itself an arrestable offence.
What about if they suspect that a house contains a cannabis growing area, should they not be breaking the door down in a dawn raid?
// What about if they suspect that a house contains a cannabis growing area, should they not be breaking the door down in a dawn raid? //
That is suspicion of illegal activity sufficient for a warrant to search being issued - and arrests may or may not follow as a result of what is or what is not found.
That has no link whatsoever to being in a drug gang.
It has already been pointed out to you that belonging to a drug gang is not in itself an arrestable offence.
What about if they suspect that a house contains a cannabis growing area, should they not be breaking the door down in a dawn raid?
// What about if they suspect that a house contains a cannabis growing area, should they not be breaking the door down in a dawn raid? //
That is suspicion of illegal activity sufficient for a warrant to search being issued - and arrests may or may not follow as a result of what is or what is not found.
That has no link whatsoever to being in a drug gang.
AOG - // /// What offence do members of drugs gangs commit merely by
being members? ///
Because members of drug gangs commit the crime of drug running along with knife crime etc etc. //
And they are arrestable offences - being a member of a drug gang is not.
No matter how much you think being a member of a drug gang is an offence that can get an individual arrested, it is not. There may be activities involved with being in a drug gang that are arrestable offences, but being a member of a gang is not.
being members? ///
Because members of drug gangs commit the crime of drug running along with knife crime etc etc. //
And they are arrestable offences - being a member of a drug gang is not.
No matter how much you think being a member of a drug gang is an offence that can get an individual arrested, it is not. There may be activities involved with being in a drug gang that are arrestable offences, but being a member of a gang is not.
AOG //Because members of drug gangs commit the crime of drug running along with knife crime etc etc. //
What is known and what can be proved are two vastly different things
You need evidence of an actual crime before arrests can be made
I am now leaving this thread due to being fed up of butting my head against a brick wall.
What is known and what can be proved are two vastly different things
You need evidence of an actual crime before arrests can be made
I am now leaving this thread due to being fed up of butting my head against a brick wall.
ANOTHEOLDGIT you're talking about different things.
Firstly, I'm not aware that being a member of a drugs gang is a specific offence. Secondly, if it were an offence but you had no proof, on what grounds could someone be arrested?
With the drugs raid, would the police not need intelligence to justify breaking down a door?
Firstly, I'm not aware that being a member of a drugs gang is a specific offence. Secondly, if it were an offence but you had no proof, on what grounds could someone be arrested?
With the drugs raid, would the police not need intelligence to justify breaking down a door?
andy-hughes
/// I did not suggest that you did, I questioned your observation that some on here are 'protecting' criminals, a point which you have yet to address. ///
It comes across as 'protecting' them , since you and others like you, spend more of your time attacking me, than the problem that is rife on our streets and should concern everyone.
Since you are a firm believer in keeping threads on track, why don't you just address my headline, "all we seem to hear is that no arrests have been made", that is a fact read the reports on most of the killings etc.
Don't that concern you?
/// I did not suggest that you did, I questioned your observation that some on here are 'protecting' criminals, a point which you have yet to address. ///
It comes across as 'protecting' them , since you and others like you, spend more of your time attacking me, than the problem that is rife on our streets and should concern everyone.
Since you are a firm believer in keeping threads on track, why don't you just address my headline, "all we seem to hear is that no arrests have been made", that is a fact read the reports on most of the killings etc.
Don't that concern you?
"I refer you yet again to the fact that one can be arrested for even being a member of certain far-right groups, even if they haven't committed any other crime."
You use the word "even" as if being a member of a terrorist group were akin to being in the Scouts!
As being a member of a proscribed terrorist group or organisation is illegal, it is a crime.
I cannot see why you are struggling with that.
You use the word "even" as if being a member of a terrorist group were akin to being in the Scouts!
As being a member of a proscribed terrorist group or organisation is illegal, it is a crime.
I cannot see why you are struggling with that.
andy-hughes
/// Once again you make a completely false link between what you perceive as interest in crimes abroad equating to a lack of concern about crimes here. ///
The proof is in the pudding, how many threads do you see showing concern in the mass stabbings and killings, that take place on our streets, almost on a daily basis?
They are now not even, no longer front page news.
/// Once again you make a completely false link between what you perceive as interest in crimes abroad equating to a lack of concern about crimes here. ///
The proof is in the pudding, how many threads do you see showing concern in the mass stabbings and killings, that take place on our streets, almost on a daily basis?
They are now not even, no longer front page news.
//I refer you yet again to the fact that one can be arrested for even being a member of certain far-right groups, even if they haven't committed any other crime.//
Mr aog
With respect. What you have written above is perfectly correct.
The law has stated ,and it is written in law,that membership of a certain group becomes an offence against the law because that group is proscribed in law.
Unfortunately a youth can march up to the policeman in their estate and proclaim he is a member of a drug gang and there will be little response. If the the youth is old enough to be searched without an appropriate parent or guardian present he might be searched. If any drugs were found, unlikely, he would be arrested as that is hard evidence. I cannot understand why British Transport Police do not take a more plain clothes proactive role and arrest these couriers and their haul either on the train or destination. Intelligence and evidence could then be gained and the dealers/Somali Elders could be blitzed en masse providing sufficient evidence and intelligence is gained to obtain search warrants. I am hoping that our new Home Secretary will offer more helpful assistance to the police to wipe this scum off our estates and be deported back to Somalia.
Mr aog
With respect. What you have written above is perfectly correct.
The law has stated ,and it is written in law,that membership of a certain group becomes an offence against the law because that group is proscribed in law.
Unfortunately a youth can march up to the policeman in their estate and proclaim he is a member of a drug gang and there will be little response. If the the youth is old enough to be searched without an appropriate parent or guardian present he might be searched. If any drugs were found, unlikely, he would be arrested as that is hard evidence. I cannot understand why British Transport Police do not take a more plain clothes proactive role and arrest these couriers and their haul either on the train or destination. Intelligence and evidence could then be gained and the dealers/Somali Elders could be blitzed en masse providing sufficient evidence and intelligence is gained to obtain search warrants. I am hoping that our new Home Secretary will offer more helpful assistance to the police to wipe this scum off our estates and be deported back to Somalia.
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