Is No Deal Now Innevitable?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47660019
They'll only get the extension if Parliament approves the deal as is. That seems unlikely given the numbers, so shall I order the champagne for next Friday?

[retrocop]

jim
For the purpose and context of this debate your analogy of treacherous is over emotional,irrelevant and frankly pathetic. But that is your opinion.

[pixie374]

Jim, describing someone as a traitor doesn't even come close to actually shooting them.

[jim360]

I'm not actually feeling that emotional right now, which perhaps surprises us both. Still, I stand by what I said. People should be particularly careful about how to talk about MPs as a group: to call them treacherous is just fundamentally wrong. What they are is divided, as the country is divided.

[pixie374]

The country has decided. Their job is to implement it without causing total commotion.

[agchristie]

In going about my business some people I have heard use adjectives far worse than 'traitor'.

It is symptomatic of how many are feeling and frankly,who can blame them?

[jim360]

Also, I am in no way suggesting that OG would want to shoot anyone dead. But there is, I suggest, a link between constantly talking of MPs as "treacherous", or as "traitors to discard", and someone taking that seriously enough to shoot someone. That's the point.

[pixie374]

No. It isn't. It is a valid opinion and suggesting it is incitement to nutters, is ridiculous.

[jim360]

Well, valid opinion or not, it's still wrong.

[ichkeria]

It’s actually not only dangerous but totally illogical if you’re a fan of a No Deal Brexit. Because it’s thanks to MPs not voting for a deal that we risk the possibility of No Deal. And yet it’s the No Dealers who seem crossest about it all.

[pixie374]

A valid opinion is wrong?

[jim360]

Valid in the sense that it can be held without creating an environment in which MPs are facing frequent death threats. Not valid in any factual sense.

[Ellipsis]

Wikipedia> The penalty for treason was changed from death to a maximum of imprisonment for life in 1998 under the Crime And Disorder Act. Before 1998, the death penalty was mandatory, subject to the royal prerogative of mercy.

There is a strong association between treason and death and some people still think that treason carries the death penalty.

[tamborine]

The consensus never asked for a deal - it was only in or out.

Take the hard Brexit originally voted for.

[ichkeria]

Meanwhile the petition to revoke Article 50 closes in on 2 million signatures: it's already in "Say no to Trump" territory altho admittedly some way to go to match 4 million "Let's hold another referendum" launched by a Brexit supporter who thought they'd lose the referendum (!)
With Nigel's Brexit Betrayal march not exactly stopping the traffic, and with a huge rally against leaving the EU planned for the weekend you do wonder where is this massive People's Will driving us out of the EU.

[Old_Geezer]

All this talk about killing traitors show how some rush off to extremes to try to make some kind of point. If you can't cope with treacherous (which is fine) how about, characterized by their faithlessness, ready to betray trust, deceiving, untrustworthy, unreliable ? If you like I'll go find a thesaurus.

[Ellipsis]

Let's park the bus for now and just consider the Vote Leave brochure ...

https://imgur.com/cZR2Hu6

[ichkeria]

So it is May 22 after all

[Old_Geezer]

And so everyone hoped at the time, but no one knew the future. We've now tried the negotiation, the EU elite wasn't having any of it, so we go with what we have. One has to understand the difference between rational expectation and firm promise.

[Old_Geezer]

Really ? Did the third vote get held already and get accepted this time ?

[ichkeria]

"We've now tried the negotiation, the EU elite wasn't having any of it, so we go with what we have. "

Don't you mean, both sides negotiated a deal, but treacherous MPs voted against it. MPs you don't appear to like despite them being on your side :-)