Mv3 Have I Missed Something?

[Hopkirk]

I thought that piece of excrement Bercow had blocked plans for a third vote.

How come they are now talking as if it is going to happen?

[jim360]

If there are signs that Parliament will find a majority to support a third meaningful vote, then they will inevitably also pass a procedural motion to allow the vote to take place. This would override the Speaker's pronouncement.

[ichkeria]

I dare say the “piece of excrement” as you so charmingly didn’t put it will have to change his mind given the circumstances.

Meanwhile it appears May 22 is the extension date allowed if it’s passed. Even June 30 was whistling in the dark it seems

[Hopkirk]

Well since he is one of those who want to stop Brexit, why should he have to change his mind?

[jim360]

The Speaker is meant to have the role of representing the will of Parliament in favour of the will of Government. In that sense -- at least for the moment -- that is precisely what he is doing by saying to Theresa May, et al, that she cannot keep bringing back the same deal over and over in the hopes of whittling down the opposition a handful at a time.

Independent of Brexit, it's fairly shameful for any government to adopt that approach.

[jno]

Agree with Jim, whatever you think of Bercow (and it’s impossible to say whether his personal beliefs would make Brexit better or worse), his job as it has been since the days of Charles I is to assert the rights of parliament against over-mighty executive power. That’s just what he’s doing.

[New Judge]

"Independent of Brexit, it's fairly shameful for any government to adopt that approach."

Guess what, Jim? I agree - 100% (NJ retires for a lie down, suggesting Jim does likewise). :-)

The castigation of Mr Speaker (for whom I hold no brief) was out of order on two counts:

Firstly he invoked the correct Parliamentary procedure and just because the convention is 400 years old is no reason to disrespect it. The surprising thing is that a second vote was allowed on what was essentially the same proposal, never mind a third.

Secondly, the attitude demonstrated towards the Speaker seemed to suggest that everything was going swimmingly, that the acceptance of the deal was a shoe-in, and that MPs would simply rubber stamp it. In practice the deal was every bit as likely to have been resoundingly rejected for the third time of asking as it was on the previous two occasions.

Mrs May does not seem to have grasped that her deal is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! Its metabolic processes are now 'istory! It's off the twig! It's kicked the bucket, 'it's shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-DEAL!!

[jim360]

Fetch me my smelling salts...

[ichkeria]

I did the dead parrot bit a few days ago NJ :-)

Beware of it turning into a Norwegian Plus Blue though ;-)

[Hopkirk]

It's funny that the speaker insists on 400 year old rules. Only a few weeks ago he did the opposite and allowed Dominic Grieve's amendment saying he didn't have to follow old rules.

[naomi24]

I don't think any of them - or anyone else - knows whether they're coming or going.

[Peter Pedant]

yeah Nigh
they dont know their arrisses from their elbows
agreed and pass the smelling salts !

[jim360]

That seems to be a reference to the Grieve Amendment from January. But then in that case, Parliament voted in favour of the amendment. Hence the will of the House was respected by allowing the amendment, and there is no inconsistency.

[Peter Pedant]

// his job as it has been since the days of Charles I is to assert the rights of parliament against over-mighty executive power.//

queen Bess who wasnt a bad old stick
is said to have summoned the commons to dress them down and said
but not Mr Speaker as the only one who will be speaking will be me!

[jno]

Wars have been fought over lesser issues, PP.

Jenkins ear

[cassa333]

Apparently it can come back as is because the circumstances surrounding the deal will have changed.

IE: MPs will have been frightened into voting for it.

[agchristie]

I am no supporter of Bercow but also agree with those who said he was correct to act as he did.

[New Judge]

//I did the dead parrot bit a few days ago NJ :-) //

Sorry, ikky. I just can't keep up with it all !!!

[youngmafbog]

Berkow is a piece of excrement but on the stopping the vote he was quite correct IMHO.

Now where's Cromwell when you need him?

[Hopkirk]

Is he still going to stop it happening?

[dannyk13]

May is asserting that, because she has obtained an extension, the circumstances regarding her deal have changed and she should be allowed to re-present it before parliament.