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Bus Driver Slaps Cheeky Kid....
I know who's side I'm on but I'll wait and see which way the thread goes.
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hughes
Talbot - // Maybe the fact that I am the only one to raise it. //
That means nothing at all.
Just because you are the only one to raise the point does not make it a fact - we have no idea how the parents reacted afterwards.
You are joining retrocopy in making assumptions based on no evidence - it doesn't fly when he does it, nor does it with you
Didn't you notice the word 'seems'?
seems does not mean 'fact' you put up the word 'fact'
Very similar to the 'so rule' innit.
Talbot - // Maybe the fact that I am the only one to raise it. //
That means nothing at all.
Just because you are the only one to raise the point does not make it a fact - we have no idea how the parents reacted afterwards.
You are joining retrocopy in making assumptions based on no evidence - it doesn't fly when he does it, nor does it with you
Didn't you notice the word 'seems'?
seems does not mean 'fact' you put up the word 'fact'
Very similar to the 'so rule' innit.
Baldric - // Andy, what's all this Retrocopy about? //
I'm not sure why you feel the need to champion Retrocop, I am sure he can do so for himself, but since you brought it up -
it's the result of my computer's auto text correction - I do type Retrocop, but when it hits the site, the PC has added a 'y' on.
In typing this response, I have discovered how to stop it, so if that works, hopefully it will not be a future issue, and you can point your need to criticise pointlessly elsewhere, "and Retrocop can continue not be bothered. "
Tell me where I have indicated I am bothered. I am not a milksop.
I really don't care what you wish to address me as I am an adult and do not need to bother.
You may,equally accept that my computer may not type your full name some times, but as you assure us you have no need to grow up then you,also. will be no more bothered than I am. :-)
I'm not sure why you feel the need to champion Retrocop, I am sure he can do so for himself, but since you brought it up -
it's the result of my computer's auto text correction - I do type Retrocop, but when it hits the site, the PC has added a 'y' on.
In typing this response, I have discovered how to stop it, so if that works, hopefully it will not be a future issue, and you can point your need to criticise pointlessly elsewhere, "and Retrocop can continue not be bothered. "
Tell me where I have indicated I am bothered. I am not a milksop.
I really don't care what you wish to address me as I am an adult and do not need to bother.
You may,equally accept that my computer may not type your full name some times, but as you assure us you have no need to grow up then you,also. will be no more bothered than I am. :-)
andy-hughes
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'No argument there - the argument is, that having reacted quickly and avoided a potentially fatal accident, does not give the driver a free pass to hop off his bus and smack the child in the face.'
You're, like many on here, (deliberately?) ignoring some very pertinent facts.
The driver didn't 'hop' off the bus and slap the kid cos he's a bully/ cos he could and all the other nonsense.
He remonstrated with the kid, the kid said 'F*** off, you just drive the bus'.
The driver's culture (probably Muslim) still deals with cheeky kids the way we did throughout history until, what, the 1980's.
You don't seriously expect third worlders, which some insist on flooding the west with, to be 'up to speed' with our fantastic PC culture?
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'No argument there - the argument is, that having reacted quickly and avoided a potentially fatal accident, does not give the driver a free pass to hop off his bus and smack the child in the face.'
You're, like many on here, (deliberately?) ignoring some very pertinent facts.
The driver didn't 'hop' off the bus and slap the kid cos he's a bully/ cos he could and all the other nonsense.
He remonstrated with the kid, the kid said 'F*** off, you just drive the bus'.
The driver's culture (probably Muslim) still deals with cheeky kids the way we did throughout history until, what, the 1980's.
You don't seriously expect third worlders, which some insist on flooding the west with, to be 'up to speed' with our fantastic PC culture?
> The driver didn't 'hop' off the bus and slap the kid cos he's a bully/ cos he could and all the other nonsense.
> He remonstrated with the kid, the kid said 'F*** off, you just drive the bus'.
The driver did hop off the bus. If he hadn't done that, none of the rest would have followed. Not the alleged abuse from the kid, not the slap, none of it.
If somebody cuts you up, do you get out of your car to remonstrate? That's road rage, especially if you go on to hit them! Are you a professional driver, who spends all day every day getting paid to drive? Then you certainly should not succumb to road rage.
> He remonstrated with the kid, the kid said 'F*** off, you just drive the bus'.
The driver did hop off the bus. If he hadn't done that, none of the rest would have followed. Not the alleged abuse from the kid, not the slap, none of it.
If somebody cuts you up, do you get out of your car to remonstrate? That's road rage, especially if you go on to hit them! Are you a professional driver, who spends all day every day getting paid to drive? Then you certainly should not succumb to road rage.
llipsis
///The driver did hop off the bus. If he hadn't done that, none of the rest would have followed. Not the alleged abuse from the kid, not the slap, none of it.///
Au contraire. If some kid/adult runs in the road in front of you, it's a perfectly normal reaction to wind down the window and tell them off.
If they tell you to 'F*** off', that's what we call 'upping the ante'.
Now, if you're a woman or a wimp it's probably best you do drive on and forget it because you can't do much about it. I can and I will.
Cheeky kids need to learn that upping the ante can have consequences. (sometimes fatal ones)
///If somebody cuts you up, do you get out of your car to remonstrate? That's road rage,///
That's also a different scenario.
///The driver did hop off the bus. If he hadn't done that, none of the rest would have followed. Not the alleged abuse from the kid, not the slap, none of it.///
Au contraire. If some kid/adult runs in the road in front of you, it's a perfectly normal reaction to wind down the window and tell them off.
If they tell you to 'F*** off', that's what we call 'upping the ante'.
Now, if you're a woman or a wimp it's probably best you do drive on and forget it because you can't do much about it. I can and I will.
Cheeky kids need to learn that upping the ante can have consequences. (sometimes fatal ones)
///If somebody cuts you up, do you get out of your car to remonstrate? That's road rage,///
That's also a different scenario.
The moment the driver got off the bus, he went from right to wrong, hero to zero, incident 1 (professional driver avoids child) to incident 2 (road rage). The idea that a coach driver, paid to drive 50 people around all day every day, can be driving along seething with anger because of a normal everyday incident, is not a good one.
Crikey - is this still going
Kid runs out in front of bus
Driver a bit shocked - but no collision
Driver ( if he must) -gets out of vehicle and tells kid off for his dangerous action
Kid tells him to FO
Driver understandibly not pleased
However driver should then have got back into his vehicle and continue his journey NOT assault kid - however rude kid was
Motorists assaulting people on the road or other motorists for doing stupid things or for getting lippy is not good
Kid runs out in front of bus
Driver a bit shocked - but no collision
Driver ( if he must) -gets out of vehicle and tells kid off for his dangerous action
Kid tells him to FO
Driver understandibly not pleased
However driver should then have got back into his vehicle and continue his journey NOT assault kid - however rude kid was
Motorists assaulting people on the road or other motorists for doing stupid things or for getting lippy is not good
Spicerack -There are several interesting aspects to your response.
The first is your perception that a child is 'upping the ante' as you put it. That is an adult perspective, and has no place in this situation because, as I and others keep stating, and you and others keep ignoring, this was a CHILD - they don't think and act and 'up the ante' as adults do.
The second is your willingness to shelve your frequently stated dislike of Muslims and their ways of life, in order to twist yourself in knots to defend this bus driver.
You said - // The driver's culture (probably Muslim) still deals with cheeky kids the way we did throughout history until, what, the 1980's.
You don't seriously expect third worlders, which some insist on flooding the west with, to be 'up to speed' with our fantastic PC culture? //
This would be laughable were it not so serious. With no evidence whatsoever, you are attributing a religion to this driver to allow him the backward attitudes of his imagined faith towards discipline of children, and then use that to defend his behaviour! I have read some people twisting themselves backwards to defend this man, but honestly, that is as inventive as it is ridiculous.
Then there is your use of the phrase - ' … if you are a woman or a wimp ...' which implies that you see little difference between the two, but it also implies that a degree of machismo and 'telling it like it is' is required to deal with this incidents.
You appear to view any stupid behaviour as needing direct action from you - you could only hear yourself be abused by the other party if you got out of your car to 'deal with them' - as you clearly feel is he right way to address such situations.
Getting out of your car to shout at a stranger is never a good idea - at best it starts a pointless shouting match while you either decide which of you two men is 'harder' or you see how much you can frighten and intimidate a woman or a child.
But maybe you should think about this when you are busy righting the wrongs on the road as you clearly feel you must - you never know who is going to get out of the other car. They may have just as big a sense of entitlement as you, they may be willing to shout as loud as you, and maybe, just maybe, they are willing to make their point a little more forcefully than you -
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The first is your perception that a child is 'upping the ante' as you put it. That is an adult perspective, and has no place in this situation because, as I and others keep stating, and you and others keep ignoring, this was a CHILD - they don't think and act and 'up the ante' as adults do.
The second is your willingness to shelve your frequently stated dislike of Muslims and their ways of life, in order to twist yourself in knots to defend this bus driver.
You said - // The driver's culture (probably Muslim) still deals with cheeky kids the way we did throughout history until, what, the 1980's.
You don't seriously expect third worlders, which some insist on flooding the west with, to be 'up to speed' with our fantastic PC culture? //
This would be laughable were it not so serious. With no evidence whatsoever, you are attributing a religion to this driver to allow him the backward attitudes of his imagined faith towards discipline of children, and then use that to defend his behaviour! I have read some people twisting themselves backwards to defend this man, but honestly, that is as inventive as it is ridiculous.
Then there is your use of the phrase - ' … if you are a woman or a wimp ...' which implies that you see little difference between the two, but it also implies that a degree of machismo and 'telling it like it is' is required to deal with this incidents.
You appear to view any stupid behaviour as needing direct action from you - you could only hear yourself be abused by the other party if you got out of your car to 'deal with them' - as you clearly feel is he right way to address such situations.
Getting out of your car to shout at a stranger is never a good idea - at best it starts a pointless shouting match while you either decide which of you two men is 'harder' or you see how much you can frighten and intimidate a woman or a child.
But maybe you should think about this when you are busy righting the wrongs on the road as you clearly feel you must - you never know who is going to get out of the other car. They may have just as big a sense of entitlement as you, they may be willing to shout as loud as you, and maybe, just maybe, they are willing to make their point a little more forcefully than you -
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hughes
Spicerack -There are several interesting aspects to your response.
The first is your perception that a child is 'upping the ante' as you put it. That is an adult perspective, and has no place in this situation because, as I and others keep stating, and you and others keep ignoring, this was a CHILD - they don't think and act and 'up the ante' as adults do.
You obviously don't know much about kids.
Spicerack -There are several interesting aspects to your response.
The first is your perception that a child is 'upping the ante' as you put it. That is an adult perspective, and has no place in this situation because, as I and others keep stating, and you and others keep ignoring, this was a CHILD - they don't think and act and 'up the ante' as adults do.
You obviously don't know much about kids.
Quite right Talbot
Upping the ante is the same as "pushing the limits","crossing the line," taking the mickey or "rank disobedience". No child should be allowed to dictate terms to their seniors.
Whilst talking of seniors. Andy Hughes please note. I have never worked under Superior officers.You and anybody else will never be superior to me. I worked with Senior officers. Please remember that in the future if you wish to snipe re my former career.
Upping the ante is the same as "pushing the limits","crossing the line," taking the mickey or "rank disobedience". No child should be allowed to dictate terms to their seniors.
Whilst talking of seniors. Andy Hughes please note. I have never worked under Superior officers.You and anybody else will never be superior to me. I worked with Senior officers. Please remember that in the future if you wish to snipe re my former career.
retrocop - // Quite right Talbot
Upping the ante is the same as "pushing the limits","crossing the line," taking the mickey or "rank disobedience". No child should be allowed to dictate terms to their seniors. //
"Dictate terms to their seniors???? This is real life, not a posh boys' public school!!! You cannot go around hitting children because you have decided that they need to be 'taught a lesson' - it's called assault and it is against the law.
// Whilst talking of seniors. Andy Hughes please note. I have never worked under Superior officers.You and anybody else will never be superior to me. I worked with Senior officers. Please remember that in the future if you wish to snipe re my former career. //
I have never inferred that I am 'superior' to you - it is you and others like you who seem to live a life based on insecurity, ready to lash out if you feel your 'status' in the world is threatened.
I did not 'snipe' at your former career - I simply observe that you are a dinosaur, and the police service has hopefully moved on without you - in my view, your attitudes have no place in a modern police service, and if you dished out your much loved 'clip around the ear' approach, you would rightfully be dismissed as a disgrace.
Upping the ante is the same as "pushing the limits","crossing the line," taking the mickey or "rank disobedience". No child should be allowed to dictate terms to their seniors. //
"Dictate terms to their seniors???? This is real life, not a posh boys' public school!!! You cannot go around hitting children because you have decided that they need to be 'taught a lesson' - it's called assault and it is against the law.
// Whilst talking of seniors. Andy Hughes please note. I have never worked under Superior officers.You and anybody else will never be superior to me. I worked with Senior officers. Please remember that in the future if you wish to snipe re my former career. //
I have never inferred that I am 'superior' to you - it is you and others like you who seem to live a life based on insecurity, ready to lash out if you feel your 'status' in the world is threatened.
I did not 'snipe' at your former career - I simply observe that you are a dinosaur, and the police service has hopefully moved on without you - in my view, your attitudes have no place in a modern police service, and if you dished out your much loved 'clip around the ear' approach, you would rightfully be dismissed as a disgrace.
Retrocop - you may think you did not work under 'Superior Officers' - clearly you did, but your chippy insecurity makes it hard for you to acknowledge it -
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