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Can Britain's Far-Right Be Compared With Islamic Terrorism?
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If so why is it that it has took the retiring assistant commissioner at the Metropolitan police to make us aware of this in his speech to the annual Colin Cramphorn memorial lecture in central London.
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No one is comparing them.
The threat from aislamic terrorists is obviously greater no matter how you measure it.
But four thwarted plots is not insignificant. And a third of referals to ‘Prevent’ is also worryingly high.
If you are an innocent person and you could in a market or pub targeted by right-wing extremists, then it is reassuring to know that the security services are taking the threat seriously.
The threat from aislamic terrorists is obviously greater no matter how you measure it.
But four thwarted plots is not insignificant. And a third of referals to ‘Prevent’ is also worryingly high.
If you are an innocent person and you could in a market or pub targeted by right-wing extremists, then it is reassuring to know that the security services are taking the threat seriously.
I was perfectly aware to be honest as were most people I imagine. Think of it like this AOG, we are all on a see saw. Most of us are somewhere around the middle and don't alter things too much by what we do, but Daesh is on one end jumping up and down and the far right bods are on the other doing the same. The key will be to get both to approach the middle of the seesaw, but that I am afraid will take generations and you'll never get every single person to do it anyway so we will continue to tilt about for infinity, BUT it doesn't later the fact that MOST people are still in the middle and will always be.
Gromit
/// No one is comparing
them. ///
Did you read the report?
In his speech, Rowley draws many comparisons between Islamist and far-right groups and figures, such as Isis and Anjem Choudary in the former, and National Action and former EDL leader Tommy Robinson in the latter.
“Ironically, while Islamist and extreme rightwing ideologies may appear to be at opposing ends of the argument it is evident that they both have a great deal in common,” he said.
Apparently Rowley is.
/// No one is comparing
them. ///
Did you read the report?
In his speech, Rowley draws many comparisons between Islamist and far-right groups and figures, such as Isis and Anjem Choudary in the former, and National Action and former EDL leader Tommy Robinson in the latter.
“Ironically, while Islamist and extreme rightwing ideologies may appear to be at opposing ends of the argument it is evident that they both have a great deal in common,” he said.
Apparently Rowley is.
Hmmm, I suspect this man is a left wing appologist, but in some ways he does have a point.
Firstly though it is important to define the term "Far right". To often this is being used by the far left to describe anyone slightly right of centre. If that definition stands then no the "far right" cannot be compared with Islamic extremism.
However if the correct meaning of the term is used pointing at the Extreme right then that is where he has a point. Interestingly many of the values Muslims hold dear are not far removed from the extreme Islamists.
The other thing to note is that he appears to be saying the terrorist incidents were 'inspired' rather than organised. Whilst extreme Islam does have inspired attacks it also has organised one too so the comparison becomes weak.
The one thing I am disappointed by is that once again the cause is not being looked at, just the symptom.
Firstly though it is important to define the term "Far right". To often this is being used by the far left to describe anyone slightly right of centre. If that definition stands then no the "far right" cannot be compared with Islamic extremism.
However if the correct meaning of the term is used pointing at the Extreme right then that is where he has a point. Interestingly many of the values Muslims hold dear are not far removed from the extreme Islamists.
The other thing to note is that he appears to be saying the terrorist incidents were 'inspired' rather than organised. Whilst extreme Islam does have inspired attacks it also has organised one too so the comparison becomes weak.
The one thing I am disappointed by is that once again the cause is not being looked at, just the symptom.
I disagree, what are you going to do if you were made aware?
Try and be more vigilant? Call in every 'suspect' and waste police time?
Let them get on with their jobs and tell you about it afterwards?
Too much time is taken up with people questioning the authority just let them do what they do to earn a wage.
As I say again I am not sure what you knowing about it would do to improve your life?
Try and be more vigilant? Call in every 'suspect' and waste police time?
Let them get on with their jobs and tell you about it afterwards?
Too much time is taken up with people questioning the authority just let them do what they do to earn a wage.
As I say again I am not sure what you knowing about it would do to improve your life?
bednobs
/// ?? I honestly don't understand your question. Doesn't everyone know that far right groups are all similar? ///
?? I honestly don't understand your answer.
What the report says is that Far-Right groups and Islamic groups are comparable, and since many will disagree with this, is why I am asking my question.
/// ?? I honestly don't understand your question. Doesn't everyone know that far right groups are all similar? ///
?? I honestly don't understand your answer.
What the report says is that Far-Right groups and Islamic groups are comparable, and since many will disagree with this, is why I am asking my question.
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AOG,
Far right terrorists and Islamic terrorists are comparable in as much as they are both terrorists.
In terms of threat (and terrorism results) Islamic terrorist are a greater threat.
Any terrorism, be it from these two, or animal rights, or anarchists etc should be treated equally, as they all have the ability to harm the public.
Far right terrorists and Islamic terrorists are comparable in as much as they are both terrorists.
In terms of threat (and terrorism results) Islamic terrorist are a greater threat.
Any terrorism, be it from these two, or animal rights, or anarchists etc should be treated equally, as they all have the ability to harm the public.
Islay
/// As I say again I am not sure what you knowing about it would do to improve your life? ///
It is not all about improving my life or even your life, but every person's life, going about their own peaceful lives.
If there is a potential threat no mater from whom and the security services are aware of it, so should we be, i.e. those who pay for protection.
/// As I say again I am not sure what you knowing about it would do to improve your life? ///
It is not all about improving my life or even your life, but every person's life, going about their own peaceful lives.
If there is a potential threat no mater from whom and the security services are aware of it, so should we be, i.e. those who pay for protection.
AOG - I take Islay's position on this.
There is nothing to be gained in spreading panic among the public by advising every single plot and counter-measure, when they cannot do anything effective, but can do something ineffective, which is worry.
To address your Question - in the sense that both groups are extremists, and prone to use violence to enforce their view, then yes, there is a valid comparison between the two.
There is nothing to be gained in spreading panic among the public by advising every single plot and counter-measure, when they cannot do anything effective, but can do something ineffective, which is worry.
To address your Question - in the sense that both groups are extremists, and prone to use violence to enforce their view, then yes, there is a valid comparison between the two.
Gromit
/// Far right terrorists and Islamic terrorists are comparable in as much as they are both terrorists. ///
Apart from the lone nutter who attacked the crowd outside their Mosque or the one that murdered that Labour MP, I am not aware of any other Far-Right terrorist attacks such as the savage killing of Lee Rigsby and the fairly recent Manchester attack, and the two London mass terrorism attacks all carried out in the name of Islam.
/// Far right terrorists and Islamic terrorists are comparable in as much as they are both terrorists. ///
Apart from the lone nutter who attacked the crowd outside their Mosque or the one that murdered that Labour MP, I am not aware of any other Far-Right terrorist attacks such as the savage killing of Lee Rigsby and the fairly recent Manchester attack, and the two London mass terrorism attacks all carried out in the name of Islam.
AOG - // Gromit
/// Far right terrorists and Islamic terrorists are comparable in as much as they are both terrorists. ///
Apart from the lone nutter who attacked the crowd outside their Mosque or the one that murdered that Labour MP, I am not aware of any other Far-Right terrorist attacks such as the savage killing of Lee Rigsby and the fairly recent Manchester attack, and the two London mass terrorism attacks all carried out in the name of Islam. //
Specifics are not the issue, or what is asked in your OP.
Are the two comparable? The answer is yes.
It's not based on a totting up procedure, it's based on an attitude, which they have in common.
/// Far right terrorists and Islamic terrorists are comparable in as much as they are both terrorists. ///
Apart from the lone nutter who attacked the crowd outside their Mosque or the one that murdered that Labour MP, I am not aware of any other Far-Right terrorist attacks such as the savage killing of Lee Rigsby and the fairly recent Manchester attack, and the two London mass terrorism attacks all carried out in the name of Islam. //
Specifics are not the issue, or what is asked in your OP.
Are the two comparable? The answer is yes.
It's not based on a totting up procedure, it's based on an attitude, which they have in common.
AOG
You might not be aware of far right terror plots, but the counter terrorism chief claims that four plots have be averted.
We seem to be going round in circles here.
My position is that even though the threat from the far right is lower than other threats, they are credible threats and we should not ignore them. Do you agree ?
You might not be aware of far right terror plots, but the counter terrorism chief claims that four plots have be averted.
We seem to be going round in circles here.
My position is that even though the threat from the far right is lower than other threats, they are credible threats and we should not ignore them. Do you agree ?
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