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Schengen
I'm taking a 2 hour drive to Strasbourg this morning which means crossing the French border, and a friend who lives there advises, 'Don’t forget to take your passport, It’s unlikely you’ll be checked at the border, although it does happen sometimes, especially at sensitive times of the year.'
It's never happened before, but does it look like the Schengen project maybe beginning to crumble?
It's never happened before, but does it look like the Schengen project maybe beginning to crumble?
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Ordinarily, EU nationals do not need to show a national ID card or passport when travelling from one border-free Schengen EU country to another.
Even if you don't need a passport for border checks within the Schengen area , it is still always highly recommended to take a passport or ID card with you, so you can prove your identity if needed (if stopped by police, boarding a plane, etc.). Schengen EU countries have the possibility of adopting national rules obliging you to hold or carry papers and documents when you are present on their territory.
Under Schengen rules, in extenuating circumstances, where a threat to public policy or national security has been identified Member States are permitted to reintroduce temporary border controls.
Temporarily reintroduced border controls currently exist in Germany, France, Austria, Denmark, Sweden and (non-EU) Norway.
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Even if you don't need a passport for border checks within the Schengen area , it is still always highly recommended to take a passport or ID card with you, so you can prove your identity if needed (if stopped by police, boarding a plane, etc.). Schengen EU countries have the possibility of adopting national rules obliging you to hold or carry papers and documents when you are present on their territory.
Under Schengen rules, in extenuating circumstances, where a threat to public policy or national security has been identified Member States are permitted to reintroduce temporary border controls.
Temporarily reintroduced border controls currently exist in Germany, France, Austria, Denmark, Sweden and (non-EU) Norway.
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“Ordinarily, EU nationals do not need to show a national ID card or passport when travelling from one border-free Schengen EU country to another.”
And nor does anybody else. And that makes this an interesting topic for debate:
“The UKIP poster during the referendum was particularly mischievous in this regard as it seemed deliberately to confuse people by suggesting freedom within Europe equated to an open door to the outside.”
I don’t recall the poster. But I think that Schengen has exacerbated the migrant problem within Europe. Schengen allows not only freedom to roam for those entitled to be there but also that same freedom for those who have arrived illegally. That is why the EU’s plans to “allocate” a proportion of migrants to each nation was always bound to fail. They cannot be confined to any particular nation because they are free to roam across the Schengen area at will.
To build on my earlier point I have often arrived in a Schengen country from the UK and not had my passport examined or even needed too show it. But this does not mean I was not (under the rules) required to do so. It means that the Border staff in my country of arrival were at lunch.
And nor does anybody else. And that makes this an interesting topic for debate:
“The UKIP poster during the referendum was particularly mischievous in this regard as it seemed deliberately to confuse people by suggesting freedom within Europe equated to an open door to the outside.”
I don’t recall the poster. But I think that Schengen has exacerbated the migrant problem within Europe. Schengen allows not only freedom to roam for those entitled to be there but also that same freedom for those who have arrived illegally. That is why the EU’s plans to “allocate” a proportion of migrants to each nation was always bound to fail. They cannot be confined to any particular nation because they are free to roam across the Schengen area at will.
To build on my earlier point I have often arrived in a Schengen country from the UK and not had my passport examined or even needed too show it. But this does not mean I was not (under the rules) required to do so. It means that the Border staff in my country of arrival were at lunch.
"That is why the EU’s plans to “allocate” a proportion of migrants to each nation was always bound to fail. They cannot be confined to any particular nation because they are free to roam across the Schengen area at will. "
Why is that a problem? If the EU had not done a "by nation" allocation then one or two countries would have been saddled with all the admin and accommodation. It is true that they can then roam at will, but so what. The deal was not "you have to stay put in that country" was it? If it was then I agree that that was silly, but only because they had obviously forgotten that there was no way of enforcing it.
If you believe in freedom of movement then it's fair enough. Why should migrants not be allowed to move? Of course I agree that if you don't believe in that then it is a load of rubbish :-)
Can't believe you don't remember "that" poster NJ :-)
Why is that a problem? If the EU had not done a "by nation" allocation then one or two countries would have been saddled with all the admin and accommodation. It is true that they can then roam at will, but so what. The deal was not "you have to stay put in that country" was it? If it was then I agree that that was silly, but only because they had obviously forgotten that there was no way of enforcing it.
If you believe in freedom of movement then it's fair enough. Why should migrants not be allowed to move? Of course I agree that if you don't believe in that then it is a load of rubbish :-)
Can't believe you don't remember "that" poster NJ :-)
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