ChatterBank1 min ago
Brexit
Just heard on the news that it might cost the UK £40 billion to leave Europe. Where is this money going to come from?
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Tora,
The the working out of the EU €60billion figure has been published and availble months ago.
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I have not seen a similar document showing the UK’s working out, published anywhere?
The the working out of the EU €60billion figure has been published and availble months ago.
https:/
I have not seen a similar document showing the UK’s working out, published anywhere?
"...would all who voted LEAVE still vote leave when they see the cost?"
Most Leavers I know (including me) would. I would like the UK to leave at almost any cost. Even the highest figures bandied about by the doomsayers are well worth it. I do not want the UK to be influenced in any way by such an obnoxious organisation.
The document to which Gromit has provided a link is interesting. It says its figures are based on the “EU’s consolidated annual accounts”. These have never been successfully audited. It also says that there are various “off-balance sheet amounts such as contributions to the European investment bank. I read these as figures from thin air. Among the items in the EU budget to which (it is said) we must continue to contribute are huge sums as “cohesion funding” to recipient states. These include €82bn to Poland and €23bn to the Czech Republic in the years 2014-20.
More open to argument it says this:
“…the Commission sees the issues at stake as quite simple. Britain made legally binding financial commitments to the EU which it must honour whether inside or outside the Union.”
They may have been legally binding whilst we retained our membership. However I have read the Lisbon Treaty almost in its entirety and I see nothing about former members who have left under Article 50 having to complete their contributions for as long as the EU budget extends.
In any case it doesn't really matter. All that's needed is for the UK to make a swift and clean break from a wretched organisation that seems to be treating one of its members (and one who has contributed huge sums to its wealth redistribution schemes) as criminal simply because they've had enough.
Most Leavers I know (including me) would. I would like the UK to leave at almost any cost. Even the highest figures bandied about by the doomsayers are well worth it. I do not want the UK to be influenced in any way by such an obnoxious organisation.
The document to which Gromit has provided a link is interesting. It says its figures are based on the “EU’s consolidated annual accounts”. These have never been successfully audited. It also says that there are various “off-balance sheet amounts such as contributions to the European investment bank. I read these as figures from thin air. Among the items in the EU budget to which (it is said) we must continue to contribute are huge sums as “cohesion funding” to recipient states. These include €82bn to Poland and €23bn to the Czech Republic in the years 2014-20.
More open to argument it says this:
“…the Commission sees the issues at stake as quite simple. Britain made legally binding financial commitments to the EU which it must honour whether inside or outside the Union.”
They may have been legally binding whilst we retained our membership. However I have read the Lisbon Treaty almost in its entirety and I see nothing about former members who have left under Article 50 having to complete their contributions for as long as the EU budget extends.
In any case it doesn't really matter. All that's needed is for the UK to make a swift and clean break from a wretched organisation that seems to be treating one of its members (and one who has contributed huge sums to its wealth redistribution schemes) as criminal simply because they've had enough.
TTT I pointed out to Gromit that he/she appears to always side with the EU and and asked why he/she believes everything they say but not our team.
Didn't get an answer then and I doubt you will get an answer now or anytime soon.
Just take it as read that Gromit will at every opportunity big up the EU and degrade the UK. If we start at that premis we can then take what he/she says with the brevity it deserves.
Didn't get an answer then and I doubt you will get an answer now or anytime soon.
Just take it as read that Gromit will at every opportunity big up the EU and degrade the UK. If we start at that premis we can then take what he/she says with the brevity it deserves.
"The the working out of the EU €60billion figure has been published and availble months ago."
I tried reading that document but it is in desperate need of a sensible synopsis. From what I can tell it is this making a claim that there are outstanding liabilities, without evidence that projects we were part of as a member remain liabilities when we no longer are. The commitments were made by EU members not ex-members. The EU countries are at liberty to prove their demand in a neutral court of law, or in neutral arbitration, if they think they have a case. I see no attempt to do so. Until then their "working out" has little value as it is disputed.
I tried reading that document but it is in desperate need of a sensible synopsis. From what I can tell it is this making a claim that there are outstanding liabilities, without evidence that projects we were part of as a member remain liabilities when we no longer are. The commitments were made by EU members not ex-members. The EU countries are at liberty to prove their demand in a neutral court of law, or in neutral arbitration, if they think they have a case. I see no attempt to do so. Until then their "working out" has little value as it is disputed.
Meanwhile.... in the real World as the EUSSR implodes, and Germany twists in the wind in what can only be called a nightmare of their own much vaunted careful construction, namely an immigration row. A political crisis incidentally that makes Mrs May's little local difficulties look piffling in comparison, despite them being gleefully celebrated by the 5th column remoaners. Hans Olaf Henkel, a senior German politician says that the EU is insulting Britain by demanding a huge upfront payment before talking about trade. He goes on to say that Michael Barnier was wrong in trying to get Britain to "name a price without knowing what we were going to get for it". Mr Henkel, an MEP and former head of the German Federation of Industry-the equivalent of the CBI-said its view was that Britain should have the "best deal possible". You don't suppose that reality is beginning to dawn on them, even if it isn't doing so on our own saboteurs do you?
Hans also said, just to hammer the point home, 'the EU wants from your Prime Minister a price, before the EU is willing to negotiate on trade. Well if you go into a shop you don't name a price without knowing what you are going to get for it. So I think it should be enough if your PM says "we will fulfill our obligations". If a French commissioner doesn't accept it I think it's insulting an entire Nation.'
Just what some of us have been saying on here for months is it not? I think they just blinked.
Just what some of us have been saying on here for months is it not? I think they just blinked.
cassa: "TTT I pointed out to Gromit that he/she appears to always side with the EU and and asked why he/she believes everything they say but not our team.
Didn't get an answer then and I doubt you will get an answer now or anytime soon. " - yes gromit is quiet on this, TBH I have never ever seen any example of gromit siding with the UK on any subject.
Didn't get an answer then and I doubt you will get an answer now or anytime soon. " - yes gromit is quiet on this, TBH I have never ever seen any example of gromit siding with the UK on any subject.
