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Should Gender Be Included In The Census?
//The Office for National Statistics (ONS) has undertaken research as to whether the 2021 census should ask questions about people’s gender identity as well as their biological sex.
This follows protests that asking about people’s gender is discriminatory.
If the proposals go ahead, the change would leave the Government without accurate data on the number of men and women officially living in the country.
An online self-completion survey found that 0.8 per cent of approximately 10,000 respondents had transgender identities and that around half of this population – or 40 individuals – had undergone gender reassignment surgery.//
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I’ve never considered myself to be a feminist particularly, but I’m with them on this one. It seems the sensibilities of a very few are taking precedence over common sense. What say you?
This follows protests that asking about people’s gender is discriminatory.
If the proposals go ahead, the change would leave the Government without accurate data on the number of men and women officially living in the country.
An online self-completion survey found that 0.8 per cent of approximately 10,000 respondents had transgender identities and that around half of this population – or 40 individuals – had undergone gender reassignment surgery.//
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I’ve never considered myself to be a feminist particularly, but I’m with them on this one. It seems the sensibilities of a very few are taking precedence over common sense. What say you?
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I'm not meaning to be flippant exactly, as it's a question I've pondered for some time, one way or another. But in the long run I don't see why women need to view transgender people as in any sense threatening -- rather like how extending the definition of marriage to allow for same-sex couples doesn't in any sense devalue a heterosexual marriage, extending the definition of "woman" to include transgender people doesn't devalue the identities of "cisgender" women.
Jim, I’m not sure ‘threatening’ is the right word, but as Germaine Greer says, 'We keep arguing that women have won everything they need to win. They haven’t even won the right to exist’. I think she means her gender shouldn’t be hijacked – and I agree with her.
I had to look up “cisgender" only to find it means women who are born female and identify as women – in other words just ordinary women. Good grief! I’m convinced the world’s going potty!
I had to look up “cisgender" only to find it means women who are born female and identify as women – in other words just ordinary women. Good grief! I’m convinced the world’s going potty!
quite so, jim, the preciousness seems to go in the other direction: I'm part of a proper heterosexual marriage and this status will be devalued if those horrid gays can claim they're married too.
"Real" women will remain women even if some transgender ones say they're women too. Nobody will have been abolished.
"Real" women will remain women even if some transgender ones say they're women too. Nobody will have been abolished.
Or they aren't seeing it from mine :P
This is partly a generational thing. As someone who is not a feminist, apparently, you might not have read too much into it, I don't know -- but there is some competition between Greer's generation of feminists and the more recent, "third wave" feminism, in terms of how much or how little acceptance of transgender people, particularly transwomen, there should be. Loosely speaking, the older feminists seem to hate the concept, and the more recent feminists have literally no problem with it whatsoever, although that's a gross oversimplification probably.
But anyway.
This is partly a generational thing. As someone who is not a feminist, apparently, you might not have read too much into it, I don't know -- but there is some competition between Greer's generation of feminists and the more recent, "third wave" feminism, in terms of how much or how little acceptance of transgender people, particularly transwomen, there should be. Loosely speaking, the older feminists seem to hate the concept, and the more recent feminists have literally no problem with it whatsoever, although that's a gross oversimplification probably.
But anyway.
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