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Should Gender Be Included In The Census?

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naomi24 | 15:54 Tue 10th Oct 2017 | News
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//The Office for National Statistics (ONS) has undertaken research as to whether the 2021 census should ask questions about people’s gender identity as well as their biological sex.
This follows protests that asking about people’s gender is discriminatory.

If the proposals go ahead, the change would leave the Government without accurate data on the number of men and women officially living in the country.

An online self-completion survey found that 0.8 per cent of approximately 10,000 respondents had transgender identities and that around half of this population – or 40 individuals – had undergone gender reassignment surgery.//

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/census-gender-transgender-non-binary-concerns-women-written-out-of-existence-germaine-greer-a7988991.html

I’ve never considered myself to be a feminist particularly, but I’m with them on this one. It seems the sensibilities of a very few are taking precedence over common sense. What say you?
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no one has answered my question about the usefulness of the gender/sex demographic on a census form?
Wonder if there are any answers here.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/2011census/whywehaveacensus
If we take the issue of say, Maternity Services and what provision may be needed - then I can see how knowing how many more/less may be availing themselves of that service.

Many other instances too, all guess work on my part.
I've always found it useful for disnguishing the Francises from the Franceses among my ancestors, woofgang.

Aside from that - I presume it's been useful over the years in planning for future pensions, for instance, as men and women retired at different ages. And I imagine it's needed if you want to calculate, say, the pay gap between men and women (unless they have other sources of information about how many males/females are employed). Greer may have a point there: in fighting inequality you need facts and figures. But saying women will lose their right to exist is hyperbole.
It just seems such a raw piece of information.....and not that useful when it can be got in other ways which would be more focussed.
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Jim at 18:51, point 2. No.
woofgang, I believe in broad terms the main purpose of censuses is to provide governments with information to aid forward planning. I don't know what specific agendas individual responses are used for, though; they probably change from time to time.
I can see that when men and women's lives were much more different then it might have been more useful info....When I worked in the NHS I worked on surveys and consultations including designing some. One of the things that I learned to ask was "what will you do with this information?" and the second, equally important question was "how reliable will the answers be?" Commitment of the respondents is a dicey issue too. Too little commitment and accuracy suffers because people don't care, conversely too much commitment risks people skewing their responses in order to support the outcome that they want.
perhaps they should have a tick box for chimera as well
The whole concept of gender as it's currently understood is rather difficult to represent on a form,it seems. Maybe if it had a line with "exclusively A" on one side and "exclusively B" on the other?

How you'd then get stats out of those results though isn't easy to see, and that is rather the point of the census.
also what use those stats would be?
Single-sex schools, healthcare etc.
Simple just make the choices.
1 Animal?
2 Vegetable?
3 Miserable?
pixie are there any state funded single gender schools? Not really sure why its needed for healthcare either? GP's know how many or which gender/sex are registered with them and the NHS in general will know how many people accessed which healthcare services.
Of course, woof. Loads of them! I think they just collect general statistics to get an idea of changes and trends over time.
Togo... i'd be a mixture of those- depending how much coffee I've had :-)
but they could get that from the NHS stats.
Why not leave it on the census then? It seems odd to leave out the most basic details when you're looking for an overall view. Easier to just ask it all together.
All official applications should include photographic proof of one's genitals. Note to officialdom " I'll show you mine if you show me yours"
Birth certificate might be more polite, wr ;-)

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