Could The Eu Survive Frexit After Brexit?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/791566/Frexit-Marine-Le-Pen-ally-says-France-follow-UK-Brexit-European-Union

[emmie]

i can't see France going the way of the UK any day soon, they stand to lose even more by a Frexit imo.

[New Judge]

I must say the EU (or at least the UK’s membership of it) has become a bit of an obsession with me in recent years. It began with the Maastricht Treaty, signed by that nice Mr Major and reached its zenith when Lisbon was signed. This clearly was an EU Constitution in all but name (in fact it started life as such but when it was rejected by the French the name was changed but the contents remained largely intact). It had been obvious for some years that the euromaniacs would be satisfied with nothing less than a Federal Europe and Lisbon confirmed that.

My own view is that the wretched organisation (at least in its present form) will collapse at some time in the not too distant. The UK has started the ball rolling and I think “Frexit” will speed up the demise considerably. The problem is that its influence has spread like a cancer throughout nation states and, as the UK is discovering, disentangling a member nation from its clutches is fraught with difficulties. Further than that, so entrenched are its leaders that they simply refuse to accept its shortcomings, let alone do anything about them and they absolutely refuse to bow to democratic pressure. (To understand this, consider Jean-Claude Juncker’s reaction to the possibility that the French might reject the draft Constitution I mentioned above “If it’s a Yes, we will say ‘On we go’, and if it’s a No, we will say ‘We continue’”. And of course, they did).

If Brexit does hasten the demise of the EU future generations of Europeans will thank we Brits who set the ball rolling. They will be grateful that somebody had the guts to st them on the path to freedom from the impoverishment and misery that the EU (and their complicit governments) foisted upon them.

[New Judge]

Yes and the difference between the UK and France is that the UK "Gold Plates" EU directives and observes them rigidly whilst the French simply ignore any they don't care for.

[Zacs-Master]

I think a more important question is how a Frexit would affect illegal immigration.

[Peter Pedant]

ZM you really are reading too many dumb-ass threads

acompendium of 3T pensees could take a lifetime

[Zacs-Master]

I just like to show things in perspective PP.

[Garaman]

Frexit would be much more damaging than Brexit as we were never fully-committed members, but it is also less likely to happen. I think the euro will play a part in that decision. I read that Le Pen is now saying that the French could keep the euro after leaving if that is what the people want, which I can't see being very practical, but it does show that she recognises the problem.

[ichkeria]

Yes there's no way France will give up the Euro. Given Le Pen trails by 20 plus points in a likely runoff with Macron her prospects of victory seem remote. And even if she did win that's no guarantee of a 'Frexit'.

[New Judge]

Actually I think the euro will collapse long before the EU. It is much more prone to market forces and even the pig-headed politicians who introduced it (most of them long disappered into the sunset with wheelbarrows full of money) and those still around who refuse to accept its fundamental problems will be unable to support it for very much longer. But once again their vanity will prevail for far too long adding unnecessarily to the penury and misery the single currency has brought to many of the minor nations that use it.

[ichkeria]

The Euro may or may not collapse (that's another long running prediction) but France will not leave it

[emmie]

why won't France give up the Euro?

[Garaman]

//Actually I think the euro will collapse long before the EU.//

I guess that is a vote of confidence that the EU will be around for a long time yet.

Those who wanted to keep the pound have been predicting the fall of the euro for the whole time it has been in circulation.

[New Judge]

Quite so, garaman.

And in the real world (i.e. one without the EU) it would have already done so. It is only the vanity and intransigence of the euromaniacs who are determined to see the survival of their “proudest achievement” at whatever cost that has prevented its collapse. Unfortunately that cost is not borne by them but by millions of people across the continent who have seen their standards of living drastically reduced, their livelihoods reduced to rubble and their nations suffering unemployment rates of >20% with under-25 unemployment approaching 50% in places.

There is no relief in sight for these people whilst the euro continues to blight their economies and the continued support of that failed project should leave its architects and supporters drowned in shame. But it won’t.

[Zacs-Master]

Imdipont think you can blame the EU for earthquakes.

[Garaman]

//And in the real world (i.e. one without the EU) it would have already done so.//

Your posts are making less and less sense, NJ. In a world without the EU there wouldn't have been a euro.

[whiskeryron]

I am hoping that our German cousins will now at last abandon there bid for world domination. After two war losses & Brexit negating their efforts to take control of Great Britain through the back door, give up.
Next thing to tackle is Islam, we are nibbling at the edges at the moment but I think with persistence we will get there eventually.

[Muntin]

I very much agree with what N. J. says at 12.05. Many of the directives are only 'advisory', I have been told by someone who used to work in the E U.
The Euro was an absurd idea and is bound to fail. How can there be a common currency without a common fiscal policy?

[Old_Geezer]

If the EU collapsed it would certainly affect us. All those countries with a sudden change of opinion on how they relate and trade in the world, less desire to try to wreck vengeance on those who had the sense to get out first. Might bring a dose of reality to a number of countries and a desire to be better trading partners.

[hereIam]

'Could the EU survive Frexit after Brexit?' Sincerely hope not TTT.

[New Judge]

You're quite right about my absurdity, garaman.

Let's say "In the real world, where common sense, pragmatism and concern for ordinary people prevail over politicians' vanity"

EU Directives (which dictate a result to be achieved) and EU Regulations (which are laws in their own right) are not merely advisory, Muntin. Article 288 of the Lisbon Treaty says this:

"A regulation shall have general application. It shall be binding in its entirety and directly applicable in all Member States.

A directive shall be binding, as to the result to be achieved, upon each Member State to which it is addressed, but shall leave to the national authorities the choice of form and methods."

Note the “binding” phrase used for each. Member states which do not implement Regulations or Directives can be prosecuted through the European Court of Justice. There's nothing "advisory" about them.