Ukip Leader Quits After 18 Days...

[Jomlett]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-leader-diane-james-resigns-latest-a7345286.html

[grumpy01]

Yes,Mikey,grammar schools are not the way to go as I have written about before and you and I have agreed on.I also accept that politics goes in cycles and the parties of government change.However,at the moment,Labour do not have a leader who can motivate the country to get behind him/her and provide a really effective opposition and thus a future Prime Minister.The fact that the opposition is not strong can only be bad for the country.

[ToraToraTora]

mikey, you'll always have 1997, I bet you have the DVD!

[ichkeria]

"they've restored parliament to supremacy in this country"

I think that is rather an optimistic statement. As you admit yourself, we currently have one political party that believes in street politics and disregards its own PLP (two if you count UKIP lol) , and a PM who may force Brexit through by bypassing parliament.
Our parliament has never been less relevant. Many people who voted brexit probably hate all MPs. It seems a lot here do :-)

[ToraToraTora]

get real Parliament run the country, end of, once we are out of the EU they'll be in charge. The activities of the opposition are irrelevant to that.

[ToraToraTora]

what I mean is that parliament will be the supreme law makers, the government run the show but still need parliament to do it.

[mikey4444]

Baldric...I have already said that UKIP was a factor in getting the Leave vote, many times, but what is the purpose of UKIP today ?

They have succeeded in getting a Tory Government elected, which was their real motive all along. They only have one MP, so how effective can he be, in getting A50 done and dusted ? If its going to be achieved, then Mrs May will do it.

UKIP have effectively voted themselves out of a job and into oblivion, so what possible difference does it make if they in disarray at the present time ?

They are a complete irrelevance, but I hope they continue to be so, as they are making us all laugh !

[mikey4444]

Grumpy....we seem to agree on much more than we disagree !

[ichkeria]

I hope the government, in that case, makes a better effort to sort out the electoral register and engage people in politics At the moment we have Momentum telling people parliament is scarcely more relevant than the European parliament to people's lives. Things like that are a self fulfilling prophecy.

Fewer people vote, and then parliament becomes less relevant as a result.
I think there's more chance of it under the Deathmask, if she's true to her word, but every new PM makes big statements when they take office and usually it is b*ll**ks. But Mrs May seems to be overseeing a pretty radical overhaul of Tory policy along with a pretty ruthless cull of the Cameroonies, and no one outside the party seems to have noticed much so far. But that situation can't continue.

Anyway, I have no idea who the new leader of UKIP will be. And I honestly don't think it matters that much. Soon their leadership changes will no longer be big news :-)

[ToraToraTora]

momentum are a bunch of anti British yogurt knitters, heed them not.

[Gromit]

This is going to sound like fence sitting, but here goes.

UKIP have never been electorially relevent. Their power lay in the fear the instilled in other Parties, mainly the Conservatives. In a two party system they realised that the possibility they could take votes from the Conservatives (or Labour) meant they could demand consesssions and push in their direction. That is how Cameron was forced into a Referendum he didn't want.

Unfortunately for UKIP, they have aready used that weapon and they can't use it again. They no longer have any leverage over anyone, and they have a frustrating future, ever more sidelined, and ineffectual.

[Baldric]

It has done what it was set up to do

http://uk.businessinsider.com/ukip-founder-alan-sked-the-party-should-dissolve-disappear-2016-7

[ToraToraTora]

yes gromit but they have now made themselves irrelevant by achieving their ambition so they won't need the "weapon" again. Mikey and co keep slating UKIP etc but they miss the point, I agree they are now irrelevant in the same way that a torpedo is irrelevant after it's done it's job.

[Gromit]

Tora,
As is so often the case, we use different language but fundamentally we agree.

[mikey4444]

Gromit....if I were able, I would give you BA for your post at 11:16 !

At least most of us, even TTT ( ! ) now agree that UKIP is no longer relevant, in anyway at all. and who cares who the next Leader is !

I had a thought though....what about that other twit...Kilroy-silk....I haven't seen much of him lately....perhaps they could dig him up again ?

[ToraToraTora]

yes mikey we agree they are not relevant but you do not seen to grasp why.

[mikey4444]

I grasp it only too well TTT, but there are people, on here, as well as the greater public that still continue to support them, although what for they fail to say.

I met a man this morning that said it was a "disaster" that Ms James had resigned so soon after being elected. I gently asked him why he thought it was so, and he said something along the lines of

" But what are we UKIP supporters supposed to do now ? "

Back to the drawing board, I suppose.

[mikey4444]

Despite saying this morning, that he wouldn't become Leader again, Farage has apparently changed his mind....again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37561065

I can't recall exactly how many times he has resigned and then popped back again, but its a lot. Its like the hokey-cokey !

[Baldric]

I have never supported UKIP by voting for them, but I admire
Nigel (100%) Farage for doing what he set out to do, maybe an achievement that Labore could learn from although I suspect they would not understand success atm.

[mikey4444]

Baldric....perhaps its an opportune moment to remind ourselves that neither the Tories nor Labour, nor the LibDems, as well as other minor Parties, wanted us to leave the EU, so Labour wouldn't have had that as policy, any more than the Tories did !

[mikey4444]

Continued....you may very well argue that Labour underestimated the feelings of the British people, and you would be right. But exactly the same applied to the Tories.