Also, just as a clarification -- the comment about "backwards steps", "out of touch", etc, should be seen as an irritated response to posts like baz's or, to a lesser extent, jourdain's, rather than entirely serious. As I hope I've made clear in my post above, I have some respect for people who want to leave; I just don't agree overall. On the other hand, it would be nice if people who wanted to leave weren't so dismissive of the "remain" camp, either because they are young and so inexperienced/ naive; or because wanting to remain is equivalent to welcoming the Fourth Reich of fascist dictatorship and borderline treason.