Another Muslim Family Shocked...

[Svejk]

BBC in full requiem mode.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-33129806

[1ozzy]

I read about young Australians who have gone to fight for ISIS, and guess what?. They haven't all been from Muslim families. More so the disenfranchised youth who see some sort of misplaced glory to be had. Only to find they have been conned by radical loonies.

[Sqad]

\\\\\,but we are not far away from this happening unless something drastic is done about radicalization in schools and on the Internet.\\\

and that to me is the bottom line, BUT in all treads over the past 8years on AB there has been a reluctance of some ABers to acknowledge that Islamization of the West was indeed an issue which featured mainly by the paranoid.

How do we deal with it.......I do not know except to ask that we should not attempt to sympathise and justify their actions.

Had he been one of my sons, I would not have been mourning his death.

[pastafreak]

Ratter is very anti-religion...so it really wouldn't matter what belief system this boy was brought up in. So many say its the fault of the parents/the religion at home...forgetting the huge amount of influencing factors to be found on the internet.

[Retrochic]

Ratter is displaying total ignorance of the Muslim Faith. There are Nutters in all Faiths -I am not a 'believer' of Organised religion but can understand that there are all levels of belief, from going to church/mosque because its the done thing, to following the letter of the holy book (which ever it is) to the letter and beyond. There have been some horrific killings in the name of 'Jesus Christ' in the past. Every religion has its evil psychopaths

[1ozzy]

//Every religion has its evil psychopaths//

Yes, I totally agree.

And there are evil psychopaths out there that have no religion.

[saintpeter48]

Just heard on BBC Five Live that posters were on his bedroom wall, along with books, promoting martyrdom. Did his parents never go into his bedroom, did they not see it, did they not question their 'normal' son about these things??

[Bazile]

pastafreak

//...So many say its the fault of the parents/the religion at home...forgetting the huge amount of influencing factors to be found on the internet.//

Indeed - as a parent i fear for my children and the many people out there that could seek to influence them to veer from the 'straight and narrow'

There but for the grace of god ......

[Retrochic]

Andy -I think your analogy between what is happening with ISIS and the Irish Troubles of the 1970's is very thought provoking. More people tend (or tended) to believe a religious leader rather than a Politician. How to stop radicalization of young Muslims is a challenging task especially in the technological age where one can access just about anything on line in private.

[Peter Pedant]

The bit I dont get is:

young man go over there and blow up XYZ and you go straight to heaven !
Efen tho you will be killing Muslims, they are er bad muslims ....

YM - yeah OK but tell me why havent you done this ?

Oh, I have to stay in this hell on earth, and do God's work here

YM o yeah OK - where are the car keys ?

So I do mourn - the massacre of the gormless ....

[Retrochic]

no Peter you mourn (if you must) the massacre of the innocent.

[pastafreak]

An example of a young man who went from devout Christian to drug dealer and petty criminal...to radical Muslim in a short space of time.
http://rt.com/uk/234035-radicalized-concern-mi5-beheading/

[Peter Pedant]

yeah retro mourn all the dead called before their time

[Retrochic]

If (big IF) what the papers say are true, and he openly supported ISIS. then the parents in this case have to take a proportion of the blame and should not be 'shocked'

[retrocop]

Yes. No doubt further information will unfold as to how long he has followed the path of extremism. Dad says he was a harmless boy whilst posters show different in his bedroom? Bit like the veracity of muslim dad who had no idea how is girls were radicalised or so he told that mug Vaz. These parents don't seem to be able to lie straight in bed and then it's,"well who would of thought it"

[retrocop]

Forgive my cynicism here.
Does any ABer recall or can provide a link as to when this boy up stumped and left for Iraq. I would guess he had been gone some time.
If this,god forbid. was my son and I truly was appalled and worried about him going awol I would be shouting to every media organ in the UK to try to get him back and deter others.
It would seem,unless I am mistaken, that parents didn't utter a peep until their son's cover was blown.( No pun intended.I take terrorism seriously).
Now the father appears on the news last night and decides muslims must speak out about these tragedies only because his son is dead.Not the fact that he killed innocent people. Is this not par for the course within this community?

[retrocop]

I note from the link he went to Syria in March.Nothing said by father during that time?

[redvanman]

Keyplus 90 were is my answer to your challenge

[Baldric]

Keyplus90 hasn't posted on this thread unless I need to go to Specsavers,

(other Opticians are available)

[Rtaxron]

## Yet again the Muslim haters queue up to gloat about the death of a child. ##

I wouldnt say 17 is a child theses days!

[ummmm]

No, not a child but young enough to be easily manipulated.