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John Major, not someone we hear from every day by any means, has now firmly plonked his cat amongst the pigeons. But at least dave can't sack him can he ?
John Major, not someone we hear from every day by any means, has now firmly plonked his cat amongst the pigeons. But at least dave can't sack him can he ?
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VHG...every point you make could be just as easily be directed at areas and housing estates where a non-white face is never seen. There are plenty of uninsured cars and discarded mattresses on South Wales council estates, areas not known for non-white and non-British faces. As for criminal gangs, we indeed don't need any more new ones as our home-grown variety are already taxing the Police.
Your contribution was very one-sided and is typical of the skewed debate on immigration in Britain today.
Your contribution was very one-sided and is typical of the skewed debate on immigration in Britain today.
Gromit
/// This country is not full. There is plenty of room. ///
In terms of people per acre I agree, but the same could be said if there was still room for one more, standing shoulder to shoulder.
When we say the country is full it appertains to the infrastructure ie homes, schools, medical facilities, transport etc etc.
Now are you beginning to get the picture?
/// This country is not full. There is plenty of room. ///
In terms of people per acre I agree, but the same could be said if there was still room for one more, standing shoulder to shoulder.
When we say the country is full it appertains to the infrastructure ie homes, schools, medical facilities, transport etc etc.
Now are you beginning to get the picture?
Don't quite understand this?
/// immigrants may be wary of mixing with us, so couldn't we make an effort as well ? ///
Perhaps they should also make an effort? Or do you mean perhaps we should also make an effort of being wary of mixing with them?
/// There...no mention of white people this time...are you satisfied now ? ///
Er? /// If our native British boys, and girls, ///
/// immigrants may be wary of mixing with us, so couldn't we make an effort as well ? ///
Perhaps they should also make an effort? Or do you mean perhaps we should also make an effort of being wary of mixing with them?
/// There...no mention of white people this time...are you satisfied now ? ///
Er? /// If our native British boys, and girls, ///
Our housing shortage could be cured quite easily by building more council houses. Not houses for the already wealthy but good, old fashioned, solid council housing. The kind of housing that I was brought up in and was common years ago, before they were all sold off.
Building more housing would transform our economy. It would get all those construction workers off the dole, invigorate our materials industry, and give people decent places to live, instead of cramming them into substandard and ludicrously over-priced rental accommodation and B+B's.
Everybody would benefit and we could start this tomorrow if we only had the political will, and its not a party-political issue.
Building more housing would transform our economy. It would get all those construction workers off the dole, invigorate our materials industry, and give people decent places to live, instead of cramming them into substandard and ludicrously over-priced rental accommodation and B+B's.
Everybody would benefit and we could start this tomorrow if we only had the political will, and its not a party-political issue.
The reason we have a housing shortage is Margaret Thatcher and her nonsensical idea to let people buy their own homes her poisonous legacy lives on today by this great shortage. And anyway no doubt if we did build more social housing British people would be the last to get one because it would go to European immigrants because of their human rights no doubt.
gordiescotland1, //The reason we have a housing shortage is Margaret Thatcher and her nonsensical idea to let people buy their own homes//
You like many others continue to suffer under the misapprehension that it was Mrs Thatcher’s idea to sell off council houses. It wasn’t. The idea came from Labour.
//The Labour Party initially proposed the idea of the right of tenants to own the house they live in, in its manifesto for the 1959 General Election which it subsequently lost.//
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You like many others continue to suffer under the misapprehension that it was Mrs Thatcher’s idea to sell off council houses. It wasn’t. The idea came from Labour.
//The Labour Party initially proposed the idea of the right of tenants to own the house they live in, in its manifesto for the 1959 General Election which it subsequently lost.//
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Mikey, //If our native British boys, and girls, mixed with more children of ethnic communities, as you and I did, then we would all have a better understanding of racial problems.//
That’s the most ridiculous statement I’ve ever seen you make – and that’s saying something. I am unaware of any state school that is without children from ethnic minorities – and in some they are in the majority. I doubt there are many children these days who don’t mix with people of other cultures and colours.
I’d like you to answer youngmafbog’s question which you seem to have ignored.
//Most Tories want controlled immigration not uncontrolled. I ask you, just what exactly is wrong with that? Why do you want to import the worlds scum, surely we have enough of our own?//
That’s the most ridiculous statement I’ve ever seen you make – and that’s saying something. I am unaware of any state school that is without children from ethnic minorities – and in some they are in the majority. I doubt there are many children these days who don’t mix with people of other cultures and colours.
I’d like you to answer youngmafbog’s question which you seem to have ignored.
//Most Tories want controlled immigration not uncontrolled. I ask you, just what exactly is wrong with that? Why do you want to import the worlds scum, surely we have enough of our own?//
I stand by everything I said Naomi, and ymb's post said something about "scum" so I am ignoring it for being divisive and uncalled for. Its phrases like "scum" that turns any level-headed debate on immigration into a ill-tempered and ignorant rant.
TTT....you have agreed with my on previous occasions about building more Council houses, and that is good because this isn't a party-political issue. It was when the Government of the time ignored common sense and sold off the council housing stock in such a way that we are left with the woeful situation that we have today. But all that is nearly 30 years ago, and we need to think outside of the box when it comes to housing. We have tried the "buy to let" idea and its failed miserably in that it just aids and abets the huge house price inflation bubble, which has made areas of our country unlivable except for the already wealthy.
If a program of large-scale social housing was to be undertaken, it would go a long way to improving millions of peoples lives. it would also give all the advantages that outlined earlier.
Areas like London and the South East will never see house price deflation of a sufficient degree to allow ordinary people to buy their own homes ever again. Average houses prices in parts off the capital are now edging towards £1 million, and that is just for an ordinary semi-detached, not a mansion on Park Lane.
And its not just London...house prices are far outstripping incomes all over the country. The only practical way to help the next generation to have somewhere to live is affordable rental housing, and if we allow the private sector anywhere near it, it will soon be snouts in the trough again.
TTT....you have agreed with my on previous occasions about building more Council houses, and that is good because this isn't a party-political issue. It was when the Government of the time ignored common sense and sold off the council housing stock in such a way that we are left with the woeful situation that we have today. But all that is nearly 30 years ago, and we need to think outside of the box when it comes to housing. We have tried the "buy to let" idea and its failed miserably in that it just aids and abets the huge house price inflation bubble, which has made areas of our country unlivable except for the already wealthy.
If a program of large-scale social housing was to be undertaken, it would go a long way to improving millions of peoples lives. it would also give all the advantages that outlined earlier.
Areas like London and the South East will never see house price deflation of a sufficient degree to allow ordinary people to buy their own homes ever again. Average houses prices in parts off the capital are now edging towards £1 million, and that is just for an ordinary semi-detached, not a mansion on Park Lane.
And its not just London...house prices are far outstripping incomes all over the country. The only practical way to help the next generation to have somewhere to live is affordable rental housing, and if we allow the private sector anywhere near it, it will soon be snouts in the trough again.
I'm right behind AOG and OG. WE ARE FULL. The infrastructure cannot take any more. schools bursting at the seams, our elderly being taken off GPs lists to make way for immigrants, and E departments swamped,housing shortage, Roma Gypsies using the pavement as a toilet at Marble Arch. Just because we have still got a modicum of Green and Pleasant land doesn't mean we have the infastucture to absorb all these people coming in. I have lots of friends of all creeds and religions, despite a certain person on this forum classing me as a right wing bigot because I read the Daily Mail. I have lived in 3 other countries but when I lived in Spain a few years ago, if I went to see a Spanish GP I had to either learn the language or pay for an interpreter to go with me. I was once taken ill on a short visit and stayed one night in a Spanish Hospital and I was marched to the Accounts Department with my Credit Card the next morning to the the £500 bill.When we later moved there we took out private medical cover. So much for reciprocal arrangements in the EU. We are the only EU nation who follows all the rules and the other laugh at us. No wonder they all want to come over to Soft Touch Britain. They are Queuing up at Calais.
lindapalmara...can I just make sure I have this right ? You have lived in three different foreign countries, including Spain.
Weren't you an immigrant at those time ?
I have a sister-in-law who went to Spain on holiday a few years ago, but will never return, as "there were too many foreigners there" I gently pointed out that perhaps it was her that was the foreigner but I'm not sure it sunk in.
Weren't you an immigrant at those time ?
I have a sister-in-law who went to Spain on holiday a few years ago, but will never return, as "there were too many foreigners there" I gently pointed out that perhaps it was her that was the foreigner but I'm not sure it sunk in.
"Our housing shortage could be cured quite easily by building more council houses."
Just a minor somewhat troublesome point, Mikey - where is the cash to come from for that then?
Unlike developers who build houses for rent or sale in the private sector, building council houses is rather like standing in the street tearing up £50 notes. No return will be made on the investment because the rents charged are hopelessly inadequate and the new buildings will simply be an even greater drain on resources as they age and require maintenance (with little or no dosh coming in to fund them).
As Gromit correctly points out, the nation's debt is rising inexorably. Yet you want to use even more money (which will have to be borrowed) to provide housing which will generate little or nothing in the way of rent.
As I have said before, the root of the UK's problems of this nature is that there are too many people here and until that is addressed these problems will persist.
Just a minor somewhat troublesome point, Mikey - where is the cash to come from for that then?
Unlike developers who build houses for rent or sale in the private sector, building council houses is rather like standing in the street tearing up £50 notes. No return will be made on the investment because the rents charged are hopelessly inadequate and the new buildings will simply be an even greater drain on resources as they age and require maintenance (with little or no dosh coming in to fund them).
As Gromit correctly points out, the nation's debt is rising inexorably. Yet you want to use even more money (which will have to be borrowed) to provide housing which will generate little or nothing in the way of rent.
As I have said before, the root of the UK's problems of this nature is that there are too many people here and until that is addressed these problems will persist.
