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[Lindylou]

What are the RSPCA doing about the cruelty involving Halal slaughter techniques? And why haven't they done something about it already? I will never, ever, knowingly buy Halal meat.

[Svejk]

sp, read Naomi's link from your beloved Guardian.

[naomi24]

sp, //How could they have done this without anyone noticing? //

People are noticing - that's why we're talking about it.


//What would be the point of switching to halal suppliers on the quiet? //


A spokesman from Compassion in World Farming said:


//With ever-larger abattoirs now exporting meat to wider and wider markets, it has become simpler and more cost effective for many of them to subject all their animals to halal slaughter.//

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/may/08/why-does-supply-halal-meat-outstrip-demand?CMP=twt_gu

[naomi24]

You might find this interesting too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2623879/We-Muslims-appalled-sale-halal-meat-stealth.html

[tamborine]

NZ muslim population is 15%. It would be financial disaster if all their lamb was halal.

http://www.iman.co.nz/ed/Musnz.php

[mushroom25]

//It would be financial disaster if all their lamb was halal. //

no it wouldn't. the biggest market for their lamb is the middle east, predominantly muslim. and as explained in articles linked above, it doesn't make economic sense to have 2 production lines.

[viv38]

Thanks for showing the petition wolf, I've signed it.

[Khandro]

wolf63; The petition you gave a link to, unfortunately ended on 28th April, do you know of a current one?

[viv38]

No it didn't, or I wouldn't have signed it !

[Khandro]

viv, You are correct, I didn't notice the 2015. I have signed it too.

[viv38]

Ha ha wondered if you'd notice Khandro. I read it as this year, at first x

[EDDIE51]

The reason we hear little about Kosher slaughter is that it can ONLY be carried out by a trained Jewish Kosher slaughter man in a slaughter house specifically set aside for Kosher slaughter only. The Kosher meat is only sold to Jews and it costs a lot more than normal meat. Kosher meat can of course be bought by anyone but as it is more expensive and is only advertised / promoted inside the Jewish community it tends not to be.
Halal slaughter on the other hand can be carried out by anyone of any faith or no faith at all and in any slaughter house as long as a tape loop of Islamic prayer is playing in the background. As it costs no more than ordinary slaughter and opens the meat to a wider sale it is becoming very popular.

[jno]

tamborine, your link says the Muslim population of NZ is 0.37% - where did you get 15% from?

All NZ meat sold in the UK is halal. All comes from animals stunned before slaughter.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11252204

[emmie]

label it all, give the customer the choice, that i think is fair.

[emmie]

just for the record how many Jews in Britain, last count quarter of a million, going on another thread - how many Muslims, well over two million, so if outlets are selling only halal, what about the rest of us, the majority who may not want it. we should know and can vote with our money.

[naomi24]

//vote with our money. //

That's exactly the way to vote.

[ichkeria]

" I don't think this fuss is about killing methods. People seem content to buy chicken from repulsive battery farms; if they start demanding its death be non-halal, I suspect animal rights aren't their main concern. "

Quite so.

[emmie]

i do wonder that we have been brought up not to question or know where the food comes from and that situation has got worse over the years, not just its from a pig, cow or other, and that battery farms are never a good idea, but they are supplying the demand, sad as that is. I am sure that visiting an abattoir would be repulsive, having watched a documentary on the stunning of animals then the slaughter i don't think i could stand the smell, the idea of it, we do turn our heads away no question,

[emmie]

we should be better informed, that is all

[naomi24]

//" I don't think this fuss is about killing methods. People seem content to buy chicken from repulsive battery farms; if they start demanding its death be non-halal, I suspect animal rights aren't their main concern. "//

I can only speak for myself, but actually they are – my concern for Sikhs who cannot eat halal meat, and the rest of us who, for whatever reason, don’t want to eat halal meat running a close second. (Incidentally, I wouldn’t buy a chicken raised on a battery farm either).

[emmie]

biggest problem of food production today is that its mass processing,
unless you buy from the farmer, know his methods of slaughter then you won't know if the chicken was stuck on a rack, gassed, then killed, or that the cow that is tied to the pen, has little room to move around, same for many animals we eat, large scale food productions means that farmers, food manufacturers do have industrial scale processing, unpalatable, but also blame the consumer for not trying to find a source of the goods, also the supermarket chains for mislabelling goods, British products which are nothing of the sort, packaged in Britain, that is all