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What are the RSPCA doing about the cruelty involving Halal slaughter techniques? And why haven't they done something about it already? I will never, ever, knowingly buy Halal meat.
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All that is done to turn normal slaughter into Halal slaughter is for a tape loop of prayers to be played in the background while the animals are being killed. Do you lot actually think that a slaughter house with 800+ animals a day to be processed has time to ensure that each one is stunned before it is killed?
A few years back there was a slaughter house just up the road from me, you could hear the squeals 1/2 a mile away. Nothing has changed except that slaughter houses are now situated well away from residential areas so people can't hear the noise or smell the stench.
I am sure 90% of people would never eat meat again if they had spent even an hour in a slaughter house. When the one near me was operating there was so much blood that it used to run out of the gate and down the drains in the road, another reason that they are now situated well out of sight.
A few years back there was a slaughter house just up the road from me, you could hear the squeals 1/2 a mile away. Nothing has changed except that slaughter houses are now situated well away from residential areas so people can't hear the noise or smell the stench.
I am sure 90% of people would never eat meat again if they had spent even an hour in a slaughter house. When the one near me was operating there was so much blood that it used to run out of the gate and down the drains in the road, another reason that they are now situated well out of sight.
If you feel anything about torture of animals for fun, think about fishing.
The RSPCA daren't even think about it - too political.
Oh yes, the fish enjoy having steel hooks in their sensitive mouths, torn out and sent back alive for it to happen again and again...
"They don't feel pain" - Oh yes, neither did new born babies who had tubes inserted in the 1980's - they didn't feel pain either.
The RSPCA daren't even think about it - too political.
Oh yes, the fish enjoy having steel hooks in their sensitive mouths, torn out and sent back alive for it to happen again and again...
"They don't feel pain" - Oh yes, neither did new born babies who had tubes inserted in the 1980's - they didn't feel pain either.
Jews have been in the UK for 350 years happily deploying their non stunned method of slaughter. The laws giving exemption to Jews and Muslims came in the the 1920s and 1930s, why the fuss now?
And why is halal singled out but not kosher? Jewish tradition forbid any stunning before death. Whereas most halal meat, about 80% is actually stunned. I see racist undertones when people rant against halal but do not mention kosher slaught.
This seems less about animal welfare and more about people being prissy because the meat has been blessed by another religion and therefore is sullied.
For once the Government have it right. The practice should be allowed like it has for hundreds of years, but the meat should be labelled as halal or kosher in the the way it was slaughted.
Many estabishments are happy to advertise their meat is halal. Pizza Express, Subway, KFC all openly advertise the fact. That way, if you want to avoid meat because it has been prayed at, you can.
And why is halal singled out but not kosher? Jewish tradition forbid any stunning before death. Whereas most halal meat, about 80% is actually stunned. I see racist undertones when people rant against halal but do not mention kosher slaught.
This seems less about animal welfare and more about people being prissy because the meat has been blessed by another religion and therefore is sullied.
For once the Government have it right. The practice should be allowed like it has for hundreds of years, but the meat should be labelled as halal or kosher in the the way it was slaughted.
Many estabishments are happy to advertise their meat is halal. Pizza Express, Subway, KFC all openly advertise the fact. That way, if you want to avoid meat because it has been prayed at, you can.
This argument seems fixed to me.
From the RSPCA link:
"Most animals slaughtered for the Halal market were stunned before slaughter. None of the animals slaughtered for the Kosher market were stunned before slaughter."
I had to read that twice.
So why is the focus on halal?
If the argument is that the process of producing halal meat is cruel, why aren't people similarly up in arms about kosher food products?
Furthermore, I hope that every single person protesting against halal products also sticks to buying free range chicken. Because we all know what has to happen to buy a great big chicken for £2.50 in Sainsburys...
From the RSPCA link:
"Most animals slaughtered for the Halal market were stunned before slaughter. None of the animals slaughtered for the Kosher market were stunned before slaughter."
I had to read that twice.
So why is the focus on halal?
If the argument is that the process of producing halal meat is cruel, why aren't people similarly up in arms about kosher food products?
Furthermore, I hope that every single person protesting against halal products also sticks to buying free range chicken. Because we all know what has to happen to buy a great big chicken for £2.50 in Sainsburys...
//So why is the focus on halal?//
Unlike halal, kosher food was never imposed upon the rest of us.
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I think this paragraph worth highlighting:
//An assumption is being made that since the majority population has no specified religious dietary requirements, it does not matter how meat is prepared. But this is a misguided approach. Some consumers may object to halal meat on the grounds – whether justified or not – that the slaughtering process is less humane because the animals are not stunned (though they often are). Moreover, there are other religious minorities, such as Sikhs, whose faith prohibits them from eating animals that have been ritually slaughtered. Why should one set of religious sensibilities trump another?//
Unlike halal, kosher food was never imposed upon the rest of us.
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I think this paragraph worth highlighting:
//An assumption is being made that since the majority population has no specified religious dietary requirements, it does not matter how meat is prepared. But this is a misguided approach. Some consumers may object to halal meat on the grounds – whether justified or not – that the slaughtering process is less humane because the animals are not stunned (though they often are). Moreover, there are other religious minorities, such as Sikhs, whose faith prohibits them from eating animals that have been ritually slaughtered. Why should one set of religious sensibilities trump another?//
as per usual, the liberatti on here have got the wrong end of the stick and just don't get it. Its about the vast majority being dictated to by a tiny vocal minority and their PC appeasers. If we must 'bend' the rules we live by, at least label food properly so we can make a choice. I was going to say 'informed' choice, no doubt you'd call it a 'prejudiced' choice. Whatever, give people a choice.
// Unlike halal, kosher food was never imposed upon the rest of us. //
The shops I know that sell halal, advertise the fact. If I go an indian restaurant I assume the meat they cook is halal. The meat my butcher sells is not halal. I do not think the supermarkets pass of halal meat as ordinary meat, because halal meat, because of the faffing involved will make it more expensive. I don't believe we are being force fed halal meat against our will. The anti halal brigade are politically motivated.
As i say, I support labelling
The shops I know that sell halal, advertise the fact. If I go an indian restaurant I assume the meat they cook is halal. The meat my butcher sells is not halal. I do not think the supermarkets pass of halal meat as ordinary meat, because halal meat, because of the faffing involved will make it more expensive. I don't believe we are being force fed halal meat against our will. The anti halal brigade are politically motivated.
As i say, I support labelling
Svejk,
// Its about the vast majority being dictated to by a tiny vocal minority //
Rubbish. KFC, Subway, Pizza Express have made a COMMERCIAL decision to sell halal products. They believe they will gain more customers than they will lose. They do not dupe the public into eating food they do not want, they advertise the food is halal. If that goes against your latest political bugbear, then go to another shop.
The tiny minority are not dictating to anyone. They have a law that has been on the books for over 90 years that allows this kind of slaughter. They have not forced these shops to go halal, these shops have voluntarily done so.
I said on the 'Subway' thread, that the people who are doing the moaning about this do not eat a KFC or Subway. They are politically motivated bullys who want to restrict religious freedom to make life as uninviting to johnny foreigner as possible.
// Its about the vast majority being dictated to by a tiny vocal minority //
Rubbish. KFC, Subway, Pizza Express have made a COMMERCIAL decision to sell halal products. They believe they will gain more customers than they will lose. They do not dupe the public into eating food they do not want, they advertise the food is halal. If that goes against your latest political bugbear, then go to another shop.
The tiny minority are not dictating to anyone. They have a law that has been on the books for over 90 years that allows this kind of slaughter. They have not forced these shops to go halal, these shops have voluntarily done so.
I said on the 'Subway' thread, that the people who are doing the moaning about this do not eat a KFC or Subway. They are politically motivated bullys who want to restrict religious freedom to make life as uninviting to johnny foreigner as possible.
See, look what can happen!!
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// Schools, prisons, hospitals and supermarkets have, quietly, served up halal meat for some time as a concession to the muslim minority. //
There is a difference between those places having an halal option which people can opt into and those places only having halal meat. As halal is more expensive to buy, it would be very foolish to impose it on people who do not particularly want it.
If a prison had 20% muslim inmates but they are serving 100% of the prisoners with the more expensively sourced product then that is a waste of taxpayers money. However, I doubt these prisons, schools etc actually do that. They might catter for the 20%, so they are costing us more, but that is a different debate.
There is a difference between those places having an halal option which people can opt into and those places only having halal meat. As halal is more expensive to buy, it would be very foolish to impose it on people who do not particularly want it.
If a prison had 20% muslim inmates but they are serving 100% of the prisoners with the more expensively sourced product then that is a waste of taxpayers money. However, I doubt these prisons, schools etc actually do that. They might catter for the 20%, so they are costing us more, but that is a different debate.
Gromit, //They are politically motivated bullys who want to restrict religious freedom to make life as uninviting to johnny foreigner as possible.//
Oh how funny! You really don’t recognise the irony in that, do you? I’ve no doubt there are a good number of Johnny Foreigners who are not happy to eat halal food – Sikhs among them – so is it all Johnny Foreigners you’re defending, Gromit – or just the 5% who happen to be Muslim? ;o)
//There is a difference between those places having an halal option which people can opt into and those places only having halal meat.//
There’s no option here.
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Oh how funny! You really don’t recognise the irony in that, do you? I’ve no doubt there are a good number of Johnny Foreigners who are not happy to eat halal food – Sikhs among them – so is it all Johnny Foreigners you’re defending, Gromit – or just the 5% who happen to be Muslim? ;o)
//There is a difference between those places having an halal option which people can opt into and those places only having halal meat.//
There’s no option here.
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