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Islamic Intolerance?
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The religion of peace is at it again.
Some bible bashing Christian moron burns the Koran in Florida and thousands of Muslims in Afghanistan go completely berserk, kill several people who were unlucky enough to be 'on duty' at the UN commission in Mazar-e Sharif. Amongst those killed are a Swedish guy and a Norwegian chap – hardly representative of the USA...
I don't think it's an unreasonable question to ask: why do some followers of the Islamic faith react so aggressively, violently and murderously to the smallest perceived slight on their belief?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/...d-south-asia-12940014
Some bible bashing Christian moron burns the Koran in Florida and thousands of Muslims in Afghanistan go completely berserk, kill several people who were unlucky enough to be 'on duty' at the UN commission in Mazar-e Sharif. Amongst those killed are a Swedish guy and a Norwegian chap – hardly representative of the USA...
I don't think it's an unreasonable question to ask: why do some followers of the Islamic faith react so aggressively, violently and murderously to the smallest perceived slight on their belief?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/...d-south-asia-12940014
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There was a lot of discussion about this on a thread last night. Long and short is - some Islamists will look for any excuse to blame "the West" - Pastor Jones is a complete idiot who says that the Quran burning has nothing to do with the killings - absolute rot. If he didn't know that something serious would happen in retribution, he is totally unaware of what he's talking about. The man's a fool and should be indicted on the grounds of stirring up religious hatred. That doesn't excuse the mob behaviour and the murder of innocent people, but the mob are as blinkered as he is.
Here's last night's discussion http://www.theanswerb...3.html#answer-5778742
Gromit
/// That being the unfortunate reality, freedom of speech regarding Islam and the Koran must be exercised with due responsibility ///
So what are you saying "that we should kowtow down to them as regards what they may choose to find offensive, just in case they may slaughter others?
Instead of defending them and making excuses for them, one should be condemning them with all one's might, they are the one's who have committed the ultimate sin, not someone who decides to burn a book.
/// That being the unfortunate reality, freedom of speech regarding Islam and the Koran must be exercised with due responsibility ///
So what are you saying "that we should kowtow down to them as regards what they may choose to find offensive, just in case they may slaughter others?
Instead of defending them and making excuses for them, one should be condemning them with all one's might, they are the one's who have committed the ultimate sin, not someone who decides to burn a book.
boxtops
/// The man's a fool and should be indicted on the grounds of stirring up religious hatred. That doesn't excuse the mob behaviour and the murder of innocent people, but the mob are as blinkered as he is.///
That is fair enough, you have said what you would like to see happen to the Pastor for burning a book.
Now would you care to state what you would like to see happen to those savages that killed 8 innocent people?
/// The man's a fool and should be indicted on the grounds of stirring up religious hatred. That doesn't excuse the mob behaviour and the murder of innocent people, but the mob are as blinkered as he is.///
That is fair enough, you have said what you would like to see happen to the Pastor for burning a book.
Now would you care to state what you would like to see happen to those savages that killed 8 innocent people?
"Why blame the Pastor, just because some lunatics decide it is ok for them to murder eight people, just because they happen to take offence at his actions? "
The Pastor new the likely result of his actions, and he knew that it was others he was endangering, but went ahead anyway. That doesn't, of course, justify the actions of the mob, but he has equal culpability in the deaths of innocents.
That's religion for you. The mob are telling themselves that God is on their side, and the pastor is telling himself that God is on his side, and meantime innocents are suffering for the stupidity of religious nuts, both Christian and Muslim.
The Pastor new the likely result of his actions, and he knew that it was others he was endangering, but went ahead anyway. That doesn't, of course, justify the actions of the mob, but he has equal culpability in the deaths of innocents.
That's religion for you. The mob are telling themselves that God is on their side, and the pastor is telling himself that God is on his side, and meantime innocents are suffering for the stupidity of religious nuts, both Christian and Muslim.
//Now would you care to state what you would like to see happen to those savages that killed 8 innocent people? //
AOG - yes, they should be charged with the premeditated murder of innocent people - but we all know that the crime was committed in a different and unstable country, and much as justice should be done, we know it's unlikely.
AOG - yes, they should be charged with the premeditated murder of innocent people - but we all know that the crime was committed in a different and unstable country, and much as justice should be done, we know it's unlikely.
/// That doesn't, of course, justify the actions of the mob, but he has equal culpability in the deaths of innocents.///
How can he possibly have equal culpability, did he actually shoot or behead these innocents?
He may have been distantly responsible for their deaths, but then if he hadn't burnt the book, somewhere down the line these creatures would have found another excuse to feed their savage blood lusts.
There is not a court in the land that would have found both parties equally responsible for the crime.
How can he possibly have equal culpability, did he actually shoot or behead these innocents?
He may have been distantly responsible for their deaths, but then if he hadn't burnt the book, somewhere down the line these creatures would have found another excuse to feed their savage blood lusts.
There is not a court in the land that would have found both parties equally responsible for the crime.
It just goes to show how religion has corrupted their minds. Why are they allowed to come and settle here? Once they get prominance in the UK free speech will fly out of the window. At the same time we should not be trying to influence them in their own countries.
This problem did not exist 10 years ago. Our politicians have a lot to answer for!
This problem did not exist 10 years ago. Our politicians have a lot to answer for!
Just on the News another 5 people have been killed in another protest
http://news.sky.com/s...Over_Burning_Of_Koran
http://news.sky.com/s...Over_Burning_Of_Koran
"How can he possibly have equal culpability, did he actually shoot or behead these innocents?"
He knew that his actions (actions that served no other purpose than to incite anger in members of a different religion) would almost certainly lead to the deaths of innocents. He went ahead anyway. His ego was more important than the lives of others.
He knew that his actions (actions that served no other purpose than to incite anger in members of a different religion) would almost certainly lead to the deaths of innocents. He went ahead anyway. His ego was more important than the lives of others.
First of all Islam does not say that someone should kill innocent people in Afghanistan when one stupid person burns Quran in USA. According to Islam they are murderers and should be sentenced to death.
Having said that when we talk about a "mob" then someone mentioned Taliban manipulated them. I would say yes that is possible and so is that "CIA or Black water" manipulated them.
Then I honestly think that time has come that Western countries must understand that other people do not think the way they do. There are cultural differences (sometime nothing to do with religion). While driving on motorway I have seen cars going past where few people were showing their bums out of the window. Obviously they thought it was funny. And still there are other people who may like to die before someone take their clothes off because they believe it is utmost humiliation. I think "free speech" should not mean freedom to insult. Especially when you know that few people will not like that. Although I will not kill someone for burning Quran right in front of me but that person must understand that for me that is not just a book. Someone who like drawing cartoons of Muhammad (pbuh) must understand that Muhammad (pbuh) is not just another human who is long gone for 1.8 billion people.
Finally Islam does teach to respect the local law, local regulations, and anything what others are sensitive about. But Islam does demand or at least expect others to do the same.
Having said that when we talk about a "mob" then someone mentioned Taliban manipulated them. I would say yes that is possible and so is that "CIA or Black water" manipulated them.
Then I honestly think that time has come that Western countries must understand that other people do not think the way they do. There are cultural differences (sometime nothing to do with religion). While driving on motorway I have seen cars going past where few people were showing their bums out of the window. Obviously they thought it was funny. And still there are other people who may like to die before someone take their clothes off because they believe it is utmost humiliation. I think "free speech" should not mean freedom to insult. Especially when you know that few people will not like that. Although I will not kill someone for burning Quran right in front of me but that person must understand that for me that is not just a book. Someone who like drawing cartoons of Muhammad (pbuh) must understand that Muhammad (pbuh) is not just another human who is long gone for 1.8 billion people.
Finally Islam does teach to respect the local law, local regulations, and anything what others are sensitive about. But Islam does demand or at least expect others to do the same.
In response to Doc Spock referring to the Koran as ' a book' - i think it's imporant to remember that it is rather more than that.
We as a Christian country tend to embrace faith as an adjunct to daily life, most Christians attempt to live by the bible's edicts, and se it more as a 'background' aspect of their lives.
For Muslims, their faith IS their life - it is bound up far more effectively and with far greater importance than we understand - such is the breadth of cultural difference at work here.
Add to that the fundamental (no pun intended) nature of Arab peoples - the passionate wilingness to defend to the death the things they believe to be important - and nothing is more important than Islam - and you have the recipe for the carnage that has taken place.
I do not for one minute condone or excuse the murder of innocent people, but I think as AOG has done, to simply label them 'savages' is to appear to take, for want of a better expression, a 'colonial' view point of the Arabic people.
We as a Christian country tend to embrace faith as an adjunct to daily life, most Christians attempt to live by the bible's edicts, and se it more as a 'background' aspect of their lives.
For Muslims, their faith IS their life - it is bound up far more effectively and with far greater importance than we understand - such is the breadth of cultural difference at work here.
Add to that the fundamental (no pun intended) nature of Arab peoples - the passionate wilingness to defend to the death the things they believe to be important - and nothing is more important than Islam - and you have the recipe for the carnage that has taken place.
I do not for one minute condone or excuse the murder of innocent people, but I think as AOG has done, to simply label them 'savages' is to appear to take, for want of a better expression, a 'colonial' view point of the Arabic people.
ctd.
Wheras in times gone by, other cultures were subjgated with relative ease by the British Empire, we have to accept that the Muslim peoples of the world have the ability to reach out and harm us with relative ease, which makes understanding their sensibilities far more vital than ever before.
Understanding our differences is the way forward, rather than simply seeming to accept that Muslims are 'savages' and must be dealt with as such.
The killers must be brought to justice for their crimes, but the provocation must also be acknowledged properly, esepcially by those involved - to avoid a repeat of such a dreadful occurence.
Wheras in times gone by, other cultures were subjgated with relative ease by the British Empire, we have to accept that the Muslim peoples of the world have the ability to reach out and harm us with relative ease, which makes understanding their sensibilities far more vital than ever before.
Understanding our differences is the way forward, rather than simply seeming to accept that Muslims are 'savages' and must be dealt with as such.
The killers must be brought to justice for their crimes, but the provocation must also be acknowledged properly, esepcially by those involved - to avoid a repeat of such a dreadful occurence.
