Nixon, Trump...

[Paigntonian]

Here's an extract from Anthony Summers' book on Nixon.
'In private Nixon never did accept that Kennedy defeated him. The election had been stolen. Nixon started to sob'. All eerily prescient methinks.

[Jackdaw33]

Nixon had a point. He lost by the closest of margins and there was evidence of rigged voting in Chicago. To his credit, Nixon did not challenge the result publicly.

[Sunk]

Gore in 2000 and Hilary Clinton in 2016 got the most votes but lost because of the vagaries of the Electoral College.
But they didn’t mobilise a mob to stage a coup attempt.

[sevenOP]

What does Summer's say about 'Watergate'. Paigntonian ?
( interesting just how long this alleged vote-rigging has been going on in USA, the crowning glory of our Western values yet still so contentious; little, if any, attempt to solve this simple process )

[ichkeria]

The west has problems the rest of the world doesn't need to bother with :-)

[andy-hughes]

I can see that if you have reached the ultimate position of power in the civilised world, with all the attendant years of adoration and cow-towing, it must be a difficult adjustment to make to understand that the public simply doesn't want you to be in charge any more.

Some manage that adjustment with the dignity and grace commensurate with their office, others who wouldn't know dignity and grace if either or both smacked them in the face, simply deny the truth and encourage insurrection in support of their unfounded nonsensical beliefs.

[Peter Pedant]

prescient?

oh yeah I remember that during the inauguration, Nixon and the watergate gang ( as teenagers that is, but still damned mad!) stormed the capitol armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons and the new nerve gases

and it was that that gave Kennedy the idea of the Bay of Pigs Disaster, including its humiliating end as Nixon was successfully repulsed

I remember now
now quickly people forget Painto

[Peter Pedant]

thre was a joke at the time
that JFK had cabled his father Joe Kennedy

stop buying dad or there will be a landslide

for the standard ABer - buying votes that is!

[Paigntonian]

Peter Pedant: You're wrong about the Bay of Pigs. It had been planned by Eisenhower/Nixon. It was served up to a new President and he agreed to it. So all three are to blame.

[Paigntonian]

SevenOP: He says a lot about Watergate, all of it condemnatory. Don't get your point. I'm not defending Nixon.

[Peter Pedant]

I retire chastened and educated even more
thank you

[Ellipsis]

> interesting just how long this alleged vote-rigging has been going on in USA, the crowning glory of our Western values yet still so contentious; little, if any, attempt to solve this simple process

At least their voting machines work:

https://www.ft.com/content/ca01d153-c1f7-4cb2-bb61-e71a2e278571
Dominion sues pro-Trump lawyer Sidney Powell for defamation

[sevenOP]

"SevenOP: He says a lot about Watergate, all of it condemnatory. Don't get your point. I'm not defending Nixon."

I was not making any point Paigntonian.
I just wondered if he considered it a 'defining' brouhaha in US history.

Ellipsis, as I cannot see behind the FT paywall I am unable to comment on it, and I am making no judgement on Dominion voting machines; but Dominion are but one of the 3 big companies(Election Systems & Software (ES&S) is the largest, followed by Dominion Voting Systems and Hart InterCivic) that control over 80% of the market, and we do hear about a lot of hacking in the USA.

'one person, one vote' is the holy mantra that that democracies use to justify their systems, so protecting that should be sacrosanct.

[Spicerack]

andy-hughes //I can see that if you have reached the ultimate position of power in the civilised world, with all the attendant years of adoration and cow-towing, it must be a difficult adjustment to make to understand that the public simply doesn't want you to be in charge any more.

Some manage that adjustment with the dignity and grace commensurate with their office, others who wouldn't know dignity and grace if either or both smacked them in the face, //

Bet he knows the difference between kowtowing and cow-towing and he isn't claiming to be a journalist.

[andy-hughes]

Spicerack - but he is inclined towards pointless petty point scoring with off-subject superior jibes.

[Ellipsis]

sevenOP, try this:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/dominion-voting-defamation-lawsuit/index.html

[douglas9401]

Cow towing should never, ever be confused with bull pulling.

[douglas9401]

Pug tugging's another.

[andy-hughes]

Let me hold my sides Douglas, they may split!!

[Ellipsis]

Then of course there's cow-TOWIE, real bovines in modified situations ...

[Spicerack]

andy-hughes/Spicerack - but he is inclined towards pointless petty point scoring with off-subject superior jibes./

Like this one, you mean?

andy-hughesSpicerack - // She's being hoist by her own petard. //

///Being trolled for expressing a personal view does not equate to being hoist by her own petard, are you sure you know what the phrase means?

The fact that you use it incorrectly suggests that you do not.14:37 Thu 11th Jun 2020///