Thank you for you reply reguarding my problem but perhaps I did not explain properly I have not taken the toys of the pup he has plenty in his cage as this is his safe place they only go away when collie is with him as this is a flash point and they come out for us to play together I no that a bitch will put a pup in his place but she really means buisness and I dont want the pup to have a bad experence with other dogs I have decided to let the pup spend more time with my other gsd who is more tolerant and take it more slowly with the collie when we start training at my local gsd club he will gain more knowledge in how to respect other dog as well but I still welcome ideas from othe dog ppl but i will add I have respect for the advice you give best wishes GypsyX