Who Was The Creator?

[naomi24]

The God of Abraham is just one among many.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_deity

Other ideas welcome.

[naomi24]

Khandro, This is about the shortest blurb I can find – and no offence intended.

//Canonization (sainthood) requires two miracles, whereas beatification (blessed) requires only one.//

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/what-are-the-requirements-for-sainthood.html

//I think you just want to argue for the sake of arguing.//

Don't start getting personal again. I’ve given you accurate information and reliable links. Nevertheless you refuse to accept either and have now requested I offer greater precision. Who’s arguing? For the sake of the reader - who may be unaware of the requirements - I’m simply attempting to correct the misinformation you’ve posted.

//The issue was raised because jomifl said (light-heartedly) that saints had awesome powers. //

They allegedly have awesome powers and you still insist that isn't so. Being declared a saint is not, as you would have it, like being awarded a VC. Sorry – but it just isn’t.

(Incidentally, I was at one of these ceremonies in Rome a few years ago - what a palaver!)

[Khandro]

Naomi; Unbelievably, you wish to continue, so it looks like this;
The pope and the entire Vatican................. Wrong.
Naomi..................................................... Right.

[pixie373]

I would go with that, khandro.

[jomifl]

Let's face it Khandro the pope & vatican don't have a very good record when it comes to factual correctness. My money is on Naomi.

[naomi24]

Khandro,// Unbelievably, you wish to continue//

You ASKED for more information. You got it.

//The pope and the entire Vatican................. Wrong.
Naomi..................................................... Right.//

Not with you – or Pixie. What are you talking about?

[Khandro]

Yes, but he's always the Pope! If you think he's doing it wrong, then drop him a line (you know the address) and say he ought to be doing what it says on Wikipedia. :-)

[naomi24]

Khandro, What on earth are you talking about? I’ve not said the pope is ‘doing it wrong’. You’re making it up again and all because you won't concede you didn't know what's involved in the path to sainthood. Never mind - you do now. ;o)

[Khandro]

Naomi; // you didn't know what's involved in the path to sainthood.//
The facts are, that whatever is said on your quotes, and your reliance on Wikipedia, and 'Sainthood for Dummies' etc. the Vatican can make a saint out of anyone it wishes (and does!). Christian martyrdom is no problem as a qualification, - sadly due to the high numbers per year, miracles are slightly more awkward; John XX111 only managed one - curing cancer, (a daily occurrence in our hospitals) the other miracle was waived, as was the 5 year rule (also with Theresa). As I said earlier; he maybe 'wrong' in your view, but he's always the Pope. :-)

[naomi24]

Khandro, I haven't mentioned the pope.

[naomi24]

Khandro, sorry, due to the late hour last night I failed to adequately respond to you.

Along with Wiki and ‘Dummies’, I offered you the Catholic encyclopaedia. The ‘horse’s mouth’ should have been sufficient.

Sainthood via the path of martyrdom has been dealt with here at least twice. There is no question about that.

Mother Teresa hasn’t been declared a saint – she’s been beatified so is on her way to sainthood – the church just has to find a second miracle to attribute to her.

As you say the two miracle rule was waived on one occasion for a sainted pope in recognition of his exceptional work – which leads me to ask why you’re bothering to argue this. If you say the rule was waived, then clearly you acknowledge the rule exists.

[Khandro]

Naomi; I accept what you say, I merely point out that though the rules exist, they are somewhat flexible when it comes to 'miracles'.

[jomifl]

I think miracles are 'awsome', well they have to be really, if they exist :o)

[naomi24]

Khandro, that's a bit of a turnaround from your initial posts here - not a miracle (sorry Jom) - but a fairly sensible course of action. ;o)