thanks Julie, I'm really very civil now, but it's quite a lonely life, cos no one will come near me before midday, :- )
the wife ignores me, my daughter's worse than me, and the grand kids call me grumpy grandad.
unrulyjulie he's not a normal bloke beleive me,and its true the kids call him grumpy grandad hes like it all the time not just in the morning,so if i was you dont talk unles ya want sarcasm of him.....