Score One For Normality In Education.

[douglas9401]

I'm sure there are many other establishments where she can follow the foibles of her cult.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68731366

[naomi24]

That's excellent news.

[brainiac]

Hurrah!

[sandyRoe]

No one needs to make an exhibition of their piety.

If a pupil at a school wants to pray all they need to do is find a quiet and do their thing.

[sandyRoe]

^ a quiet place

[douglas9401]

Unfortunately quiet places seem to be at a premium where her faith is concerned, Sandy.

[Peter Pedant]

No one needs to make an exhibition of their piety. - I agree with that - the Romans and Jews dont go around demanding lah-dee-da.

But - - this is making a statement, and only peripheral to religion and I wd say nothing to do with piety

AND - the  Butler Education Act does make  provision  for religious education in schools

this one is a secular school which is why they were doing it on blazzers in the playground.

I remember 1980 being told by a pious 15 y old,  my Arabic was too muslim ( I am a christian see) and it was a real real heart-sink moment.... ( in the middle of nowhere, only Englishman around etc,camels, flies, the heat...bogs if you can call them that, didnt flush)

[Untitled]

a good result indeed... michaela has an excellent reputation and the students are extremely lucky to be there. free schools should not be compelled to provide prayer space.

[Peter Pedant]

The judgement is here - 88 p long - but generally follows the argument , the child made a choice to go to a secular school

watch out - AB alert ! not many three word sentences and NO brayne-dead rhyming slang

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Judgement-R-v-Michaela-Community-Schools-Trust.pdf

[youngmafbog]

"The non-faith state secondary school "

And there it is.  If you want to make a big specticle of ANY religion then go to one of their schools. Pretty simple really.

[Ellipsis]

> If you want to make a big specticle of ANY religion then go to one of their schools. Pretty simple really.

Yes, although I don't believe in faith schools!

[andy-hughes]

It is indeed a victory for common sense, and for enforcing the apparently unfashionable notion that the school is run by its head and its teachers, not its students.

As the judgement advises, the parents of the pupil chose the school on the basis of its ethos and disciplinary processes.

That chimes exactly with my wife's experience as a Deputy Head of an inner-city Catholic  Primary School.

Moer than half the intake was from the local predominently Muslim community, who appreciated the Catholic pastoral ethos, and the disciplinary structure of the school.

There was never any hint of trying to change the ethos to a Muslim-based ethos, the Muslim parents, and children, were perfectly happy with things as they were.

It's time that the idea that bolshie teenagers can dictate educational policy was reversed, and a ruling like this sends out a clear message.

If you don't like it here ...

[youngmafbog]

//Yes, although I don't believe in faith schools!//

I am inclined to agree, however in the interests of free choice...

[Ellipsis]

> I am inclined to agree, however in the interests of free choice...

Yes, but whose free choice?  We were talking about Richard Dawkins recently on AB, and I was recalling The God Delusion.  This wiki article of it covers it nicely:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion

[Dawkins] is most outraged about the teaching of religion in schools, which he considers to be an indoctrination process. He equates the religious teaching of children by parents and teachers in faith schools to a form of mental abuse. Dawkins considers the labels "Muslim child" and "Catholic child" equally misapplied as the descriptions "Marxist child" and "Tory child", as he wonders how a young child can be considered developed enough to have such independent views on the cosmos and humanity's place within it.

[Old_Geezer]

There is just so much to correct these days though. It's like adding a teaspoonful of oil in an ocean storm.

[Peter Pedant]

If you want to make a big specticle of ANY religion then go to one of their schools. Pretty simple really.

yeah but no but - not that simple - there have been muslim faith schools ( and even Koranic) in the interests of the  er parents and thy were found to be beating the crap out of the boys ( that is the traditional quranic way of getting them to memorise the Book ( Hafez))

And anyway if Judges are involved, you never know why way a case will go

[ToraToraTora]

Good result, why do these people always think they can ignore the rules? Finally a common sense decision, well done. The problem now is the head is likely to become a target for every TROP nutter in the area.

[Auntypoll]

No schools should be religious. My youngest went to our local village primary school and I was not in favour of the local vicar coming in once a week to pitch his religious  drivel. 

[jno]

we always used to have a brief Bible reading during assembly at my school, which was otherwise entirely secular. Do schools still do this? I'm inclined to think they shouldn't, though it would require a ludicrous stretch of the imagination to call it indoctrination.

[Auntypoll]

It's difficult to,avoid c of e schools in rural areas and they do still preach cristianity. 

[andy-hughes]

From my experience, when children become adults, they either embrace any religious instruction they received at school, or they reject it, because as adults they are able to make that choice for themselves.