Internment The Solution?

[needawin]

Just been watching the dreadful Home Secretary, Amber Rudd. Like a previous HM Theresa May, she is completely out of her comfort zone.
Internment is not an option she says.
Internment was certainly an option in N. Ireland when we suffered at the height of the IRA campaign.
Hundreds of innocent Catholic and Protestants were trailed from their beds and interned for years without charge. In fact never charged.

Surely on May 8 we are not going to get the likes of these two imbeciles elected to drag the UK out of Europe!

[Zacs-Master]

And how many prison cells do you think are available Chill? How many more prison officers would it take?

[Khandro]

// we can't even stop people like Abedi going to Libya//

I have no problem with them going to Libya, the more the merrier, just don't allow them to return.

[mikey4444]

Khandro....yes, I agree. But it still remains that this chap was on some kind of Watch List and yet he was allowed the freedom to prepare a bomb and use it.

[ChillDoubt]

Have to make plans and prisons, won't we ZM? Officers shouldn't need too much of an increase. Far less than an MI5 surveillance team as we'd know where they are 24/7.

Those too sensitive to cope with not being able to practice their religion in a Western democratic, largely (though I suspect atheism to be the norm) Christian society have the right to move to one at any given time where their faith would be welcome and practiced.

[Peter Pedant]

// Yes, internment is the solution as I've advocated all along. //

yeah internment didnt work 45 y ago
so lets try it again - ignore that it was a disaster - and see if it is less of a disaster this time.....

problem was that MI5 'knew' who the leaders were
rounded them up and found they werent that important
and the really important ones were still free

[Old_Geezer]

Have trouble recruiting prison officers already. And government's​ still pleading public purse poverty and austerity, no money for building more gaols. We aren't​ the US.

Unsure why one would wish to make the situation more perilous to society. If considering internment one must have run out of options and are grasping at any straw/action just to feel one's trying something; anything.

[Togo]

We seem to agree that internment is out of the question for all sorts of reasons. Stretching from prison capacity, to cost, or even past failures of it due to poor implementation.

Interment it is then.

[agchristie]

Interesting Divebuddy.

The best hope for growth would be their beards under those conditions!

[Old_Geezer]

It'd be a start, of the watchlist only holding a fraction of the sympathisers.

[scooping]

Let's dispose of the argument that 'prison doesn't work'. It does. While the scumbags are incarcerated they can't rape my daughter, sell my kids drugs or attack an old lady in her home.

[ChillDoubt]

You've derided the solutions/thoughts given OG yet have failed to provide any of your own.

Care to submit at least one, so that we can retort?

[Kromovaracun]

Part of the problem with this is that (for obvious reasons) the way the security services operate is largely opaque to the public and can't really be any other way.

So as far as I know, we don't know what the criteria are for getting on the "watch list". It might be very basic - i.e. anyone who gets reported for any reason (as Abedi was) just to be sure. Or it might be more intensively researched, such as people who are known to have travelled abroad and connect with terrorists.

I'm not really sure how we can make a judgement on whether blanket internment would be a good thing without knowing the criteria for being on the "watch list" - and obviously it isn't in anyone's interests for those criteria to be made public because our enemies could game them to avoid surveillance. If the security services use the looser example (anyone who is reported), then clearly internment won't and can't work - and the UK would effectively be a police state. If, on the other hand, the watch list is composed based on more intensive research, there's a better case for it.

[Kromovaracun]

For the record I think it's far more likely that the security services use the laxer method purely because it's a wider net, but I'm only saying that because it's what I would do. I have no idea how people who actually know what they're doing run it.

[Khandro]

I watched an amazing docu. on Arte at the weekend about Nth Korea and was astonished to learn that one of their (maybe only) exports are slaves!! They send unfortunates to places in the Arab States where they work for their keep in return for hard currency which goes to that little fat chap, whatsisname.
As he needs the dough so badly, maybe we could do a deal with him and send him our jihadis, which would be a lot cheaper than keeping them interred and think of the money we would save on not paying them benefits.
Has any country in the history of the world ever paid people to murder its citizens?