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Atheist ‘Church’ Launches In Usa
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Atheists – what do you think of this? Do you feel the need for a sense of community - or to 'Come Out' as an atheist?
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Personally, I abhor the way in which this appears to be emulating Christianity. These people don't speak for me.
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Personally, I abhor the way in which this appears to be emulating Christianity. These people don't speak for me.
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octavious - stop putting words in my mouth.
i did not say those things were detrimental to me or anyone else - at least not on the surface and not in their current form... simply because to most people they are an excuse to have a party or eat chocolate etc
my point was, again, our lives are influenced by many religious things, whether we like it or not. it is everywhere.
but their origins and basis is indeed something I do not like.
the fact that we celebrate such nonsense is not something i agree with.
many view those things as a nice little day off work and just an excuse to spoil the kids etc... but to many they are the legacy of horrible times, of violence, control, persecution, guilt, shame, prejudice etc etc - the list of harm religion has done to us over the centuries is huge - physically and to our collective psyche.
so yes i would prefer those things did not exist, an some other celebrations took their place.
i did not say those things were detrimental to me or anyone else - at least not on the surface and not in their current form... simply because to most people they are an excuse to have a party or eat chocolate etc
my point was, again, our lives are influenced by many religious things, whether we like it or not. it is everywhere.
but their origins and basis is indeed something I do not like.
the fact that we celebrate such nonsense is not something i agree with.
many view those things as a nice little day off work and just an excuse to spoil the kids etc... but to many they are the legacy of horrible times, of violence, control, persecution, guilt, shame, prejudice etc etc - the list of harm religion has done to us over the centuries is huge - physically and to our collective psyche.
so yes i would prefer those things did not exist, an some other celebrations took their place.
No, as an atheist I do not feel a need to commune with fellow-atheists. I enjoy the company of others, irrespective of their religious, political etc., philosophies, providing that they are rational people and don't preach to me.
To me atheism is just my logical conclusion that our temporary existence is due to chemistry & physics. Their is no other evidence for our existence, particularly not any in theism.
As for "coming out" there is no rational predjudice or law against atheism, so nothing to come out about.
The "coming out" and "church" gatherings sounds dangerous, implying the beginning of an atheist crusade against theists. Just as bad as theist organised religions!
But "church"? - when I hear that word I keep a tight grip on my wallet.
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To me atheism is just my logical conclusion that our temporary existence is due to chemistry & physics. Their is no other evidence for our existence, particularly not any in theism.
As for "coming out" there is no rational predjudice or law against atheism, so nothing to come out about.
The "coming out" and "church" gatherings sounds dangerous, implying the beginning of an atheist crusade against theists. Just as bad as theist organised religions!
But "church"? - when I hear that word I keep a tight grip on my wallet.
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missnemesis, //If a user decides to post a thread about religion and you feel a compulsion to join in with this already pre-existing post, you are in fact the one imposing your will at that moment not the other way around. Do you see? //
No, I don’t see. These threads are not the sole preserve of the people who post the questions, and unlike you, I don’t attempt to stop anyone addressing any particular issue, whatever their opinion, so where am I imposing my will?
Incidentally, I didn’t say people of religion here impose their will on others – I said religion encroaches upon the lives of others. See the difference? I do not attack anyone on a personal level – I attack religion – and that is what none of you seem to be able to understand.
No, I don’t see. These threads are not the sole preserve of the people who post the questions, and unlike you, I don’t attempt to stop anyone addressing any particular issue, whatever their opinion, so where am I imposing my will?
Incidentally, I didn’t say people of religion here impose their will on others – I said religion encroaches upon the lives of others. See the difference? I do not attack anyone on a personal level – I attack religion – and that is what none of you seem to be able to understand.
My opinion is that it is just silly, I have more in common with some people who are believers than with a lot of atheists, I don't see atheists as having a common bond with me, after all some things are unaffected by a persons beliefs and lets face it it is an issue that in practice plays a small part in most peoples lives, JWs excepted.
jomifl and chrisgel,
I think you are very rude to keyplus90. Naomi's comment seemed to ask for a challenge. It surprised me at the time as Naomi's comment was below her normal high standard. Is her philosophy really influenced by the appearance of the of the debater. She finds "steely and determined jaws" more attractive as the faces of atheism! Very sexist and stupid. Naughty Naomi let her guard down - and may let more down if the guy's appearance is right!
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I think you are very rude to keyplus90. Naomi's comment seemed to ask for a challenge. It surprised me at the time as Naomi's comment was below her normal high standard. Is her philosophy really influenced by the appearance of the of the debater. She finds "steely and determined jaws" more attractive as the faces of atheism! Very sexist and stupid. Naughty Naomi let her guard down - and may let more down if the guy's appearance is right!
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Keyplus - “...Didn't I always said that no belief in god itself is another belief...”
Yes you did.
And you're still wrong and on this matter will ever remain so. The fact that you believe atheism to be just another belief system (or religion as you have also put it before) just goes to show how bankrupt your reasoning facilities are.
Yes you did.
And you're still wrong and on this matter will ever remain so. The fact that you believe atheism to be just another belief system (or religion as you have also put it before) just goes to show how bankrupt your reasoning facilities are.
Keyplus - “Naomi -///// I find the steely and determined jaws of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens far more attractive.///// So if any of them change their mind tomorrow then you would follow them? Or he would not be intelligent any more?”
For crying out loud. No one “follows” Hitchens, Harris or Dawkins. They make (or in the case of Hitchens, made) reasoned arguments with which we largely agree. You constantly confuse prominent atheist thinkers and writers with religious leaders. There is simply no comparison.
If Dawkins or Harris converted to religion tomorrow that wouldn't make them any less intelligent. It would however, make them far less rational as they would have given up free thought in favour of dogma. I always think it's interesting to note that the vast majority of scientists across the globe are either atheist or agnostic. It's also interesting to note that the vast majority of uneducated people across the globe believe in God in one form or another...
For crying out loud. No one “follows” Hitchens, Harris or Dawkins. They make (or in the case of Hitchens, made) reasoned arguments with which we largely agree. You constantly confuse prominent atheist thinkers and writers with religious leaders. There is simply no comparison.
If Dawkins or Harris converted to religion tomorrow that wouldn't make them any less intelligent. It would however, make them far less rational as they would have given up free thought in favour of dogma. I always think it's interesting to note that the vast majority of scientists across the globe are either atheist or agnostic. It's also interesting to note that the vast majority of uneducated people across the globe believe in God in one form or another...
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