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Which religion has the worst record for sexual discrimination?
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kplus, to correct your misconceptions "...In Catholic faction of Christianity nuns are supposed to be the best of the women. But they are not supposed to get married. Getting married and having a family is one of the basic human right....."
Catholic women are not forced to marry. They have the freedom (human right) to remain single, choose their own partners, devote their lives as nuns to catholic orders and/or follow careers of their choice.
Catholic women are not forced to marry. They have the freedom (human right) to remain single, choose their own partners, devote their lives as nuns to catholic orders and/or follow careers of their choice.
trt, that makes me laugh. you never saw any lesbian muslims, so what?
birdie, i agree with keyplus as i know you would not go to meet him face to face, nor would i. you do not have to listen or to go, but when he says meet face to face, i dont think he just means by yourself. you could go on one of these debate shows. i think that what he is trying to say is that if it were face to face, things would be a lot more different for you than on a computer or laptop. thats all im saying on that, if you want to be explained more, ask.
birdie, i agree with keyplus as i know you would not go to meet him face to face, nor would i. you do not have to listen or to go, but when he says meet face to face, i dont think he just means by yourself. you could go on one of these debate shows. i think that what he is trying to say is that if it were face to face, things would be a lot more different for you than on a computer or laptop. thats all im saying on that, if you want to be explained more, ask.
Whilst I am all for pointing out the evils f Islam where they exist, I think we are all forgetting, or maybe not being Irish some of you are totally unaware that actually the Roman Catholic church has an equally bad record of it's treatment of women. the last Magdalene laundry closed in 1996, and before you think you know everythng about them because you saw the film or whatever, understand that as well as forced imprisonment the RC church was cimplicit in torture and murder of the women forcibly incarcerated there. This is not historical abuse this was happening until the mid 1990's.Wherever you get ANY religion you will get religious nutcases, and Catholicism is no better than Islam. It's widely googleable but here's a link to start you off.
http://www.guardian.c...-laundries-scandal-un
http://www.guardian.c...-laundries-scandal-un
did anyone watch the BBC programme about Honour killings last evening, it was enough to make you tear your hair out. Was it biased, or simply telling the truth. This is Britain, and it's happening on our doorstep and in sufficient numbers that it should be taken very seriously, and from some time back.
Just as western women in Britain have got a degree of equality, and that has taken a very long time, now this, makes you wonder at people who bring their culture, skewed as it is to a modern democracy and behave in exactly the same way as they would back home. And those who were born here, young asian men and women who think it's right that women are punished for this transgressions, i wonder why they don't move to a more unenlightened environment, as they would fit right in. The father who's daughter set fire to herself and is barely alive, must shoulder some of the blame for his insistence that she stay with her husband, even though she said that she was being physically abused. He should be ashamed to call himself a man. I was and am disgusted this practice of honour killings, or call it what you like continues in Britain. The police should not only prosecute these people, but the law must see that it's barbaric and send out a clear message, by giving long prison sentences that this won't be tolerated here. No religion has covered itself in glory, but sorry Islam is not tolerant, nor does it help those who have most to lose, women.
Just as western women in Britain have got a degree of equality, and that has taken a very long time, now this, makes you wonder at people who bring their culture, skewed as it is to a modern democracy and behave in exactly the same way as they would back home. And those who were born here, young asian men and women who think it's right that women are punished for this transgressions, i wonder why they don't move to a more unenlightened environment, as they would fit right in. The father who's daughter set fire to herself and is barely alive, must shoulder some of the blame for his insistence that she stay with her husband, even though she said that she was being physically abused. He should be ashamed to call himself a man. I was and am disgusted this practice of honour killings, or call it what you like continues in Britain. The police should not only prosecute these people, but the law must see that it's barbaric and send out a clear message, by giving long prison sentences that this won't be tolerated here. No religion has covered itself in glory, but sorry Islam is not tolerant, nor does it help those who have most to lose, women.
em10, to be blunt, a lot of people immigrate from shiite countries to Europe and bring with them the same practises that keep their country of origin in the middle ages and make them cr@p holes. They then expect those same practises to be tolerated on 'religious ' grounds. As an expat I do occasionally make the odd cultural 'faux pas' but I don't expect the citizens of my host country to change their way of life to suit me.
Vetuste ennemi’s post at 10:41 Sun 18th Mar 2012 hit the nail on the head. Islamic countries are, in the main, regulated by religious teachings rather than by secular authorities.
It’s true the church has a lot to answer for – and not just historically – but two wrongs don’t make a right – and nothing compares to the practices that are carried out under the umbrella of Islam.
Sith, every atrocity committed by those who claim Islam as their religion can be – and is - justified by its literature. And no, every religion is not like that.
As for Keyplus’ many invitations to Birdie, you’re talking nonsense. Consistently badgering another contributor who happens to disagree with you to meet face to face is simply not acceptable. It’s intimidating.
You still haven’t answered the question – and neither has Keyplus.
It’s true the church has a lot to answer for – and not just historically – but two wrongs don’t make a right – and nothing compares to the practices that are carried out under the umbrella of Islam.
Sith, every atrocity committed by those who claim Islam as their religion can be – and is - justified by its literature. And no, every religion is not like that.
As for Keyplus’ many invitations to Birdie, you’re talking nonsense. Consistently badgering another contributor who happens to disagree with you to meet face to face is simply not acceptable. It’s intimidating.
You still haven’t answered the question – and neither has Keyplus.
////Naomi - Keyplus, I’ve told you before. Most women who convert to Islam do so because they marry Muslims.////
Exactly, so why do they marry Muslims if they (or their religion) is so bad. Your equation just does not make any sense Naomi. Just accept it.
//////Tamborine - Catholic women are not forced to marry. They have the freedom (human right) to remain single, choose their own partners,/////
They can even chose god as their partner? What about Catholic priests then? Do they marry god too?
Sith – No, you are a little bit wrong here and let me correct you. The only reason I want a face to face debate with Birdie is that whatever he has said on this tread and much much more have been dealt by me. I have given him so many detailed answers spanning over more than 100 posts on few threads but end result is that he always says that I have not answered his questions. So I came up with this idea that at least face to face he would not have that excuse. And that is the only reason why I do not waste any time responding to his posts. Soon you would find out that it is a very well-known atheistic propaganda that tell lies so consistently that it should start sounding like a truth. And the perfect example is right here on this thread. Even all of these people know that honour killing has nothing to do with any religion but they will always associate it with Islam because that is the most easily acceptable now a days, thanks to the media.
I will not talk about few small religions of the world where a wife has to die (burnt alive) when husband dies, she can’t re-marry even if husband dies one minute after getting married. But I will give this very detailed comparison between Islam, Judaism and Christianity. It should help if someone is after some insight into what these three main religions talk about when it comes to women. However if few people are only here to waste their time and that of the others then no one can do anything about that.
http://www.answering-...tianity.com/woman.htm
Exactly, so why do they marry Muslims if they (or their religion) is so bad. Your equation just does not make any sense Naomi. Just accept it.
//////Tamborine - Catholic women are not forced to marry. They have the freedom (human right) to remain single, choose their own partners,/////
They can even chose god as their partner? What about Catholic priests then? Do they marry god too?
Sith – No, you are a little bit wrong here and let me correct you. The only reason I want a face to face debate with Birdie is that whatever he has said on this tread and much much more have been dealt by me. I have given him so many detailed answers spanning over more than 100 posts on few threads but end result is that he always says that I have not answered his questions. So I came up with this idea that at least face to face he would not have that excuse. And that is the only reason why I do not waste any time responding to his posts. Soon you would find out that it is a very well-known atheistic propaganda that tell lies so consistently that it should start sounding like a truth. And the perfect example is right here on this thread. Even all of these people know that honour killing has nothing to do with any religion but they will always associate it with Islam because that is the most easily acceptable now a days, thanks to the media.
I will not talk about few small religions of the world where a wife has to die (burnt alive) when husband dies, she can’t re-marry even if husband dies one minute after getting married. But I will give this very detailed comparison between Islam, Judaism and Christianity. It should help if someone is after some insight into what these three main religions talk about when it comes to women. However if few people are only here to waste their time and that of the others then no one can do anything about that.
http://www.answering-...tianity.com/woman.htm
Keyplus, well, here’s a first! I’ve told you many times that the main reason western women convert to Islam is because they marry Muslim men, and each and every time, without fail, you have disagreed with me. And now suddenly you agree. Could that be because, for the first time ever I happened to mention that your wife converted to Islam only because she married you? As for my ‘equation’ not making sense, it makes perfect sense, but let’s be kind and just say ‘love is blind’.
I haven’t read all of your link yet simply because immediately I clicked on the heading ‘What is the minimum age for marriage in the holy Koran’ (although I know there isn’t one) it led me to the claim that Mary was 12 when she married 99 year old Joseph. Just an idea, but why don’t you investigate the veracity of that ridiculously fabricated piece of information? You might learn something rather more factual than you’re learning from pathetic websites like that one.
By the way, according to you everything that disagrees with your preferred world view is propaganda – the Muslim terrorist attack on 9/11 and the beheading of Ken Bigley by Muslims to mention just two instances - but be assured that the atheists who argue with you here are not blinded by superstitious claptrap. They know the facts and they have no reason to lie.
And you still haven’t answered the question.
I haven’t read all of your link yet simply because immediately I clicked on the heading ‘What is the minimum age for marriage in the holy Koran’ (although I know there isn’t one) it led me to the claim that Mary was 12 when she married 99 year old Joseph. Just an idea, but why don’t you investigate the veracity of that ridiculously fabricated piece of information? You might learn something rather more factual than you’re learning from pathetic websites like that one.
By the way, according to you everything that disagrees with your preferred world view is propaganda – the Muslim terrorist attack on 9/11 and the beheading of Ken Bigley by Muslims to mention just two instances - but be assured that the atheists who argue with you here are not blinded by superstitious claptrap. They know the facts and they have no reason to lie.
And you still haven’t answered the question.
Keyplus - “... The only reason I want a face to face debate with Birdie is that whatever he has said on this tread and much much more have been dealt by me. I have given him so many detailed answers spanning over more than 100 posts on few threads but end result is that he always says that I have not answered his questions...”
More lies. Your so called 'detailed answers' are nothing of the sort. If they are not flat-out insults or just question piled upon further question then they are often little more than flimsy excuses based on spurious evidence. Take your latest post [21:54 Tue 20th Mar 2012] for instance. In it you provide the following link...
http://www.answering-...tianity.com/woman.htm
As a quick test of this website's honesty, I clicked on the link called, “The 70 or 72 virgins in Islamic Paradise is actually supported in the Bible.”. I was sent to another page which stated, “Also, Jesus in Matthew 17, below, said that all of the believers will have 100 times the wives, harems, sisters and brothers in Heaven!”.
Wow! That's quite amazing. So I scrolled down and found the reference which stated that in Matthew 17, Verse 29 it says, “And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.”
According to all the references I can find, the above quote from Matthew 17:29 is essentially accurate. So does that mean that the Bible is saying that men (obviously!) are given multiple virgins in Heaven?
Of course it doesn't. To suggest otherwise is a blatant and transparent lie. I'm no lover of Christianity or the Bible but I can clearly see what Matthew 17:29 is saying. It is not saying that you literally get 100 wives in Heaven (and certainly virgins are not mentioned unless you perversely include the children). Do you think that this Biblical passage is literally suggesting that in Heaven you get 100 times the amount of houses, brother, sisters, fathers, mothers, children and fields [lands] that you had on Earth? It is utterly absurd to read that passage and reach that conclusion. It is merely saying that life in Heaven will be a hundred times better (relatively speaking) than it is on the Earth. There is no specific mention of virgins or multiple wives.
But that's ludicrous conclusion that the “Answering Christianity” website has reached.
As Naomi rightly states, if you stop reading pathetically misleading websites such as the one you linked and actually try engaging your brain you might actually learn something of value rather than swallowing someone else's moronic interpretations of religious scripture.
Feel free to ignore this post.
More lies. Your so called 'detailed answers' are nothing of the sort. If they are not flat-out insults or just question piled upon further question then they are often little more than flimsy excuses based on spurious evidence. Take your latest post [21:54 Tue 20th Mar 2012] for instance. In it you provide the following link...
http://www.answering-...tianity.com/woman.htm
As a quick test of this website's honesty, I clicked on the link called, “The 70 or 72 virgins in Islamic Paradise is actually supported in the Bible.”. I was sent to another page which stated, “Also, Jesus in Matthew 17, below, said that all of the believers will have 100 times the wives, harems, sisters and brothers in Heaven!”.
Wow! That's quite amazing. So I scrolled down and found the reference which stated that in Matthew 17, Verse 29 it says, “And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.”
According to all the references I can find, the above quote from Matthew 17:29 is essentially accurate. So does that mean that the Bible is saying that men (obviously!) are given multiple virgins in Heaven?
Of course it doesn't. To suggest otherwise is a blatant and transparent lie. I'm no lover of Christianity or the Bible but I can clearly see what Matthew 17:29 is saying. It is not saying that you literally get 100 wives in Heaven (and certainly virgins are not mentioned unless you perversely include the children). Do you think that this Biblical passage is literally suggesting that in Heaven you get 100 times the amount of houses, brother, sisters, fathers, mothers, children and fields [lands] that you had on Earth? It is utterly absurd to read that passage and reach that conclusion. It is merely saying that life in Heaven will be a hundred times better (relatively speaking) than it is on the Earth. There is no specific mention of virgins or multiple wives.
But that's ludicrous conclusion that the “Answering Christianity” website has reached.
As Naomi rightly states, if you stop reading pathetically misleading websites such as the one you linked and actually try engaging your brain you might actually learn something of value rather than swallowing someone else's moronic interpretations of religious scripture.
Feel free to ignore this post.
it is funny how ive never seen a thread talking about the beliefs of hindus killing their wifes after her husbands died, or nuns marrying god or how islam stopped in the 6th century the killing of innocent little girls or also how women in britain didnt get their rights till the late 1920s and how it was ok to rape them before than and how they were seen as animals when the quran clearly says, to the person with basic common sense that is, that women should have equal rights to men but have different jobs. but than again, i probably know the answer.
It's not a case of prosecution Tambourine, that's irrelevant this thread is about religious sex discrimination- it's a case of morals laid down by the RC church and perversely and cruelly applied to women and girls who contravened them. Yes the Govt were complicit but the power of the RC Church in Ireland is / was huge. If you seriously are trying to tell me that the Magdalene Laundry concentration camps were the work of the Irish Govt and not the Roman Catholic Church then I'm sorry you need your head looking at. Google 'abuse by RC missionaries' as well since you think it's so great we go about ' educating' people worldwide. We have some lovely people in the Roman Catholic Church and no mistake.
sith, those practices have been mentioned, it surely doesn't take much of a brain to work out that most religions over time have been bad in many respects for women, casting them as inferior and much more. This is 2012, and life in Britain is infinitely better for all, some may not agree but i am specifically talking about rights, to be free to chose who to marry, own property, have an education. These were hard won and now we see that some women in Britain being denied those rights because of their culture. And that i am afraid is how i see the many of the followers of Islam. Honour killings, forced marriage, underage women forced into marriage, wrong, on every level.
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