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no matter which way you look at it, life is all a bit absurd.
From a naturalistic point of view, this planet that we live on will one day be consumed by the sun and all life will cease to exist. So why bother with any kind of advancement? We will all die in the end and cease to exsist anyway.
From a supernatural perspective (religious, spiritual etc) its just as meaningless.
We all evolve or enter into another dimension (reincarnate or end up in heaven / hell /summerland or some other realm) but to what purpose? What happens when we end up 'enlightened'? What then?
Any thought guys?
Thanks...
From a naturalistic point of view, this planet that we live on will one day be consumed by the sun and all life will cease to exist. So why bother with any kind of advancement? We will all die in the end and cease to exsist anyway.
From a supernatural perspective (religious, spiritual etc) its just as meaningless.
We all evolve or enter into another dimension (reincarnate or end up in heaven / hell /summerland or some other realm) but to what purpose? What happens when we end up 'enlightened'? What then?
Any thought guys?
Thanks...
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Archeraddict – I understand exactly what you are saying.
Birdie – First of all long time no see and I do hope you are OK. Then where and when did I claim that I was an expert on Evolution or all of those subject or branches of science you listed there. But common sense does not need backing of all these knowledge. First of all I don’t believe in theories so give me a scientist who claim evolution to be fact. Then I was not talking about evolution any way but as usual you could not understand and that’s quite understandable when it comes to you. What you are saying is aftermath but what I was talking about is the beginning. Otherwise you tell me how this Universe and specifically human came into being. Was that planned or a mere accident? If planned then who planned it? If accident then of course I do not need to ask you.
Birdie – First of all long time no see and I do hope you are OK. Then where and when did I claim that I was an expert on Evolution or all of those subject or branches of science you listed there. But common sense does not need backing of all these knowledge. First of all I don’t believe in theories so give me a scientist who claim evolution to be fact. Then I was not talking about evolution any way but as usual you could not understand and that’s quite understandable when it comes to you. What you are saying is aftermath but what I was talking about is the beginning. Otherwise you tell me how this Universe and specifically human came into being. Was that planned or a mere accident? If planned then who planned it? If accident then of course I do not need to ask you.
This is just an observation - but I rarely if ever see those of the atheist persuasion posting plaintively to the religious to stop being "cruel" and to stop "disrespecting their unbelief or unfaith".
I believe quite strongly that individual posters should be afforded respect, unless through their posts they show themselves to be especially unpleasant or trollish or bigoted.The beliefs they espouse however should not be afforded any sort of shelter behind the shield of respect.
If you have a belief, if you want others to believe your faith, if you want others to accept your cultural / social activities that you claim come from your faith, then you should be willing to accept robust criticism and analysis of that faith, rather than just plaintively calling for others to "play nice". Its not atheists who call fatwahs and jihad on critics or "blasphemers", such as Salman Rushdie, or more recently the cartoonists in Denmark.
And, while we are on the topic, what about blasphemy itself! -Artificially proscribed actions or words, based upon nothing more than human interpretations of a "holy book", instructions for living, mostly in fear, from stoneage times. Most definitely these beliefs should be challenged!
If you post publicly that you have faith in something, or that we should live our lives according to some laws laid down in stoneage times, you had better be prepared for vigorous rebuttal and challenge.
@Keyplus. Once again, strawman stuff. Humankind, Life in general, is not either created by a magic supernatural being or by "accident". Evolution is not an accident - its selection and common descent You have been informed about this again and again and again. You have been provided with link after link, and you still persist in falsely representing what Evolution actually is.
Then, if I read your post rightly you go on to claim common sense should trump an educated or scientific view - Nonsense. It is absolutely amazing how frequently common sense is shown to be wrong or misinformed.
A message to all religionistas - Stop trying to tell other people how to lead their lives. Stop promoting bigotry and xenophobia. Stop evangelising. Stop killing,maiming and terrorising others simply because they believe in a different god, or no god at all. Stop treating women like chattels.Keep your faith to yourselves. Stop trying to change other peoples society and laws to your own. Then we might all be able to get on.
I believe quite strongly that individual posters should be afforded respect, unless through their posts they show themselves to be especially unpleasant or trollish or bigoted.The beliefs they espouse however should not be afforded any sort of shelter behind the shield of respect.
If you have a belief, if you want others to believe your faith, if you want others to accept your cultural / social activities that you claim come from your faith, then you should be willing to accept robust criticism and analysis of that faith, rather than just plaintively calling for others to "play nice". Its not atheists who call fatwahs and jihad on critics or "blasphemers", such as Salman Rushdie, or more recently the cartoonists in Denmark.
And, while we are on the topic, what about blasphemy itself! -Artificially proscribed actions or words, based upon nothing more than human interpretations of a "holy book", instructions for living, mostly in fear, from stoneage times. Most definitely these beliefs should be challenged!
If you post publicly that you have faith in something, or that we should live our lives according to some laws laid down in stoneage times, you had better be prepared for vigorous rebuttal and challenge.
@Keyplus. Once again, strawman stuff. Humankind, Life in general, is not either created by a magic supernatural being or by "accident". Evolution is not an accident - its selection and common descent You have been informed about this again and again and again. You have been provided with link after link, and you still persist in falsely representing what Evolution actually is.
Then, if I read your post rightly you go on to claim common sense should trump an educated or scientific view - Nonsense. It is absolutely amazing how frequently common sense is shown to be wrong or misinformed.
A message to all religionistas - Stop trying to tell other people how to lead their lives. Stop promoting bigotry and xenophobia. Stop evangelising. Stop killing,maiming and terrorising others simply because they believe in a different god, or no god at all. Stop treating women like chattels.Keep your faith to yourselves. Stop trying to change other peoples society and laws to your own. Then we might all be able to get on.
Lazygun. If your first paragraph was directed at me, then I think you misunderstand me. I was not plaintively posting to atheists to stop being "cruel" and to stop "disrespecting their unbelief or unfaith". I was saying it to all. Sadly, there are many Christians who make me cringe and I'm sure many cringe at what I do or say but we are all different and have the right to be heard but not the right to put others down.
I completely understand why people are atheists. I was one myself when younger because it was easier to believe that there was no God, than that there was a God who allowed such misery in general and in my own circumstance specifically. The fact that I have found a faith that makes me feel at peace doesn't make me cross with people who haven't, can't or wont come to faith nor do I mean to suggest that they are not at peace with their own belief system.
Why should I not be allowed to express my thoughts and experiences on a thread that asks about the meaning of life and in a category that is titled religion & spirituality?
I believe that religious people and atheists alike should respect points of view that go against their own understanding. I won't tell you how to live your life if you don't tell me what I am allowed to say. Deal?!
I completely understand why people are atheists. I was one myself when younger because it was easier to believe that there was no God, than that there was a God who allowed such misery in general and in my own circumstance specifically. The fact that I have found a faith that makes me feel at peace doesn't make me cross with people who haven't, can't or wont come to faith nor do I mean to suggest that they are not at peace with their own belief system.
Why should I not be allowed to express my thoughts and experiences on a thread that asks about the meaning of life and in a category that is titled religion & spirituality?
I believe that religious people and atheists alike should respect points of view that go against their own understanding. I won't tell you how to live your life if you don't tell me what I am allowed to say. Deal?!
@ArcherAddict - Yes, I was directing the comment re "cruel" etc at yourself, because thats how I interpreted it. I am not really a big fan of the "cant we all just get on" approach, because that implies leaving unchallenged social and cultural attitudes formed by religion that I think are wrong.
You can of course post whatever you want - where did I say you couldn't? - I also said individuals that post should be treated with respect, unless they show themselves to be a troll, or bigoted, or just plain unpleasant.
However - If one is expressing an opinion or viewpoint derived from your faith, then expect it to be challenged. Expressed views and opinions should be challenged, robustly ,and they most definitely should not remain unchallenged, shielded behind "respect".
In summary - I am happy to respect the individual but not the faith :)
You can of course post whatever you want - where did I say you couldn't? - I also said individuals that post should be treated with respect, unless they show themselves to be a troll, or bigoted, or just plain unpleasant.
However - If one is expressing an opinion or viewpoint derived from your faith, then expect it to be challenged. Expressed views and opinions should be challenged, robustly ,and they most definitely should not remain unchallenged, shielded behind "respect".
In summary - I am happy to respect the individual but not the faith :)
Lazygun. .i was referring to you last paragraph and you list of 'stop' commands! You won't be surprised that I am not pleased to be told to stop activities that I find abhorrent. But you also tell me to 'keep my faith to myself'. Not sure how I can do that if you are happy for me to post about it?
My original post was in response to AnswerPrancer, who, in my opinion, was harsh on the OP. I wasn't making a 'religious' point just saying that some times it can be hard to break in to AB because of the intimidating comments. I believe they can be very harsh and it doesn't matter if we are disagreeing on whether Coronation Street is a TV programme worthy of watching or if evolution is a fact or if Jesus was who he claimed to be. I don't think we should be 'cruel' to each other, which doesn't mean we have to all agree.
My original post was in response to AnswerPrancer, who, in my opinion, was harsh on the OP. I wasn't making a 'religious' point just saying that some times it can be hard to break in to AB because of the intimidating comments. I believe they can be very harsh and it doesn't matter if we are disagreeing on whether Coronation Street is a TV programme worthy of watching or if evolution is a fact or if Jesus was who he claimed to be. I don't think we should be 'cruel' to each other, which doesn't mean we have to all agree.
Keyplus -
Thank you for your fake concern about my well-being. I find it highly amusing and indicative of your character.
I am not going to go into heavy exposition but you have just posted a run-of-the-mill 'false dilemma' question. You have stated that if evolution isn't an accident then it must be planned, ie. if not A then B. This is a classic debating style of someone who doesn't understand the issues and who therefore cannot see any further possibilities.
As for your comment, “... First of all I don’t believe in theories so give me a scientist who claim evolution to be fact...”, this has left me (yet again) dumbfounded by your lack of coherent thought. I could elaborate but I would be unnecessarily wearing out my keyboard.
Thank you for your fake concern about my well-being. I find it highly amusing and indicative of your character.
I am not going to go into heavy exposition but you have just posted a run-of-the-mill 'false dilemma' question. You have stated that if evolution isn't an accident then it must be planned, ie. if not A then B. This is a classic debating style of someone who doesn't understand the issues and who therefore cannot see any further possibilities.
As for your comment, “... First of all I don’t believe in theories so give me a scientist who claim evolution to be fact...”, this has left me (yet again) dumbfounded by your lack of coherent thought. I could elaborate but I would be unnecessarily wearing out my keyboard.
///@Keyplus. Once again, strawman stuff. Humankind, Life in general, is not either created by a magic supernatural being or by "accident". Evolution is not an accident - its selection and common descent///
Lazygun - I really am strawman and I agree with that. But instead of providing me links can you just explain in simple words (as I am strawman) that where didi it descend from? Or in other words where did our common ancestors come from? I hope it is a simple enough question.
Lazygun - I really am strawman and I agree with that. But instead of providing me links can you just explain in simple words (as I am strawman) that where didi it descend from? Or in other words where did our common ancestors come from? I hope it is a simple enough question.
"Therefore fathers shall eat their sons in the midst of you and sons shall eat their fathers...I will send famine and wild beasts against you and they shall rob you of your children; pestilence and blood shall pass through you; and I will bring a sword upon you. I, the Lord, have spoken."
..........Ezekiel 5:10, 5:17
So you think God is a good guy?? we don't need enemies with friends like that lol.
..........Ezekiel 5:10, 5:17
So you think God is a good guy?? we don't need enemies with friends like that lol.
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