When Does An 'Ordinary' Muslim Become An Extremist?

[naomi24]

We're often told that there is a difference between 'ordinary' Muslims and extremists, so ignoring those who call for violence and Islamic domination as they march in support of Palestine, but thinking only of the Muslim school children and their parents and supporters who are making news by intimidating students into adopting the hijab, to observe Islamic fasting rituals, and to withdraw from some school activities because they are considered 'haram';   the student who is battling her school in court (at the taxpayers' expense) for the 'right' to pray during school hours, the protestors outside schools, causing one to close early in order to protect staff and pupils, and those who are threatening teachers to the extent that they fear travelling on public transport, one of whom is still, after a very long time, in hiding.   The people who are responsible for all of this carry on their regular everyday lives living among us.  Are they 'ordinary' Muslims - or are they extremists? 

[Countrylover]

Quite honestly TTT I couldn't care less what you think. 

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // So you have nothing to say about the 09:36 post then lottie? Right oh! I think we can now take that as confirmation of where your sympathies lie. //

No, actually, 'we' can't take anything like that.

You can discern a position from a statement, you can assume a position from the absence of a statement, but your assumption is not a position.

So no, you can't assume that by electing not to comment, lottie is sympathising with the extremist view.

She may have decided to think about what she wants to say next, which will be her position, but that doesn't entitle you to steam in and make baseless assumptions simply because that is what yo want her to say - or more accurately, not say.

[ToraToraTora]

well you do seem to react to it quite a lot.

[ToraToraTora]

So what we have is the Islamist apologists attacking those that report the truth rather than actually addressing the points made. Must be an uncomfortable subject for them when their idols are hacking to death soldiers in the street etc.

[royfromaus]

In another isolated incident, The Islamic Republic of Iran executed Mohammad Ghobadloo yesterday.

His crime I hear you ask?

...he stood up for womens rights in Iran.

 

Allahu Akbar!

[andy-hughes]

I have long believed that for some reason, the extremes of Islamist thought, and the 'national persona' of the Arab and Asian cultures form a perfect storm.

The tendency towards extremism is something that baffles the standard British psyche because it is utterly against the way we think.

But I do believe that the urge to embrace the extremes of imagined Islamic teaching does chime with the Arabic and Pakistani 'persona', and it would take a far brighter mind than mine to validate my view, or not, as the case may be.

So yes, no-one can argue that Muslim extremism is the deepest and most violent in the world, but I do think that a cultural predisposition towards a controlling and angry mindset has a large part to play.

Before anyone leaps in, please let me reiterate, this is simply a theory of mine that does go some way towards explaining why so many atrocitities are carried out in the 'name of Islam', but I believe it offers at least something to consider. 

[ToraToraTora]

AH: "She may have decided to think about what she wants to say next, which will be her position, but that doesn't entitle you to steam in and make baseless assumptions simply because that is what yo want her to say - or more accurately, not say." - she's had plenty of opportunity but has chosen only to attack the messenger.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // So what we have is the Islamist apologists attacking those that report the truth rather than actually addressing the points made. Must be an uncomfortable subject for them when their idols are hacking to death soldiers in the street etc. //

I will donate £100 to the charity of your choice if, today, you can copy and paste any post on any thread on any section, where any AB'er has refered to Muslim extremists as 'idols'.

You are letting your self-righteousness overheat your brain again, and send you off into hyperbolic fantasies.

Take a breath, count to ten, and then maybe we can resume exchanging views without your nonsensical extremes of hyperbole getting in the way,

[Khandro]

naomi 19:36  👍

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // she's had plenty of opportunity but has chosen only to attack the messenger. //

I know you'd love to ddebate the where and when people respond to you, but you don't.

Maybe she's gone to put the kettle on.

Whatever the reason, her absence of response does not entitle you to make up a conclusion for it, and then post it as a fact.

[naomi24]

roy, 10.41.  Another reality.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // roy, 10.41.  Another reality. //

Which no-one denies, or excuses.

[ToraToraTora]

AH: "I will donate £100 to the charity of your choice if, today, you can copy and paste any post on any thread on any section, where any AB'er has refered to Muslim extremists as 'idols'." - perlease you know as well as me that they'll never say where their sympathies lie directly. We have to go on the evidence they provide us and there is plenty of that.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - If then we acknowledge that no-one thinks terrorists are 'idols', maybe we can stop ramping up the self-righteous hyperbole, by you stating that they do, when, when challenged, you huffily have to climb down and retract your offensive piffle. 

[ToraToraTora]

AH: "TTT - If then we acknowledge that no-one thinks terrorists are 'idols'," - I acknowledge no such thing.

"maybe we can stop ramping up the self-righteous hyperbole, by you stating that they do, when, when challenged, you huffily have to climb down and retract your offensive piffle. " - I have not retracted anything huffily or otherwise. You know as well as me that no one is ever going to admit to their loyalties so we only have their written statements to go on. They always defend the terrorists by making up some sort of flaccid excuse, err "its's only a few exteremists...." - " It's their cultcha innit..." etc. When terrorists attacked a load of civvies on 7 Oct committing such horrific attrocities that most normal people don't even want to think about them, what did the apologists do? spent the next n weeks denying it took place and attacked the victims and their response. That's what I'm talking about and if you can't see that you are willfully blind to it.

[Khandro]

Proscription criteria;

 Under the Terrorism Act 2000, the Home Secretary may proscribe an organisation if they believe it is concerned in terrorism, and it is proportionate to do. For the purposes of the act, this means that the organisation:

commits or participates in acts of terrorism

prepares for terrorism

promotes or encourages terrorism (including the unlawful glorification of terrorism)

is otherwise concerned in terrorism.

Hamas is a proscribed terrorist group, anyone supporting it in any way, is aligning themselves with terrorism and is liable to arrest and prosecution. 

End of.

[THECORBYLOON]

For someone who has claimed to be an expert in or a student of logic, your reasoning is not always correct and you make outrageous claims without justification.

[andy-hughes]

Corby - // For someone who has claimed to be an expert in or a student of logic, your reasoning is not always correct and you make outrageous claims without justification. //

To whom is your post addressed?

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - // Hamas is a proscribed terrorist group, anyone supporting it in any way, is aligning themselves with terrorism and is liable to arrest and prosecution. //

I would suggest that anyone on here involved in the debates about terrorism knows that as a simple fact.

So what is your point?

[THECORBYLOON]

My post was addressed to TORATORATORA