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Do you agree with the proposed end to 24 hour drinking?
/// They hope this will herald the return of the traditional pub, in which the public can drink without fear of assault or abuse.///
The only way to see the return to the traditional British pub (if it is not already too late) is to scrap the no smoking law, which has see the closing of pubs, some that have been around for hundreds of years.
This week we were told that to ban the Burka would be rather un-British.
I am not a smoker myself, but I believe taking away the freedom of a person to enjoy a smoke along with their relaxing drink is totally un-British. To cater for those who wish to smoke, a room could be specifically set aside as a 'smoke room'
Regarding the drunken yobs who litter our streets, out-side the bars, I say impose a total non-tolerance law:
Anyone arrested for being incapable through drink should have imposed upon them a very heavy fine.
Anyone who has to depend on the NHS for treatment of drink related injuries/illness, should be charged.
Any drink venue that has a ongoing problem of drink related violence, should be closed down, or have their licence suspended for a period of time.
This way the sensible person that wishes to enjoy the freedom of having a drink no matter what time of the day, will still be able to.
Do you agree with the proposed end to 24 hour drinking?
/// They hope this will herald the return of the traditional pub, in which the public can drink without fear of assault or abuse.///
The only way to see the return to the traditional British pub (if it is not already too late) is to scrap the no smoking law, which has see the closing of pubs, some that have been around for hundreds of years.
This week we were told that to ban the Burka would be rather un-British.
I am not a smoker myself, but I believe taking away the freedom of a person to enjoy a smoke along with their relaxing drink is totally un-British. To cater for those who wish to smoke, a room could be specifically set aside as a 'smoke room'
Regarding the drunken yobs who litter our streets, out-side the bars, I say impose a total non-tolerance law:
Anyone arrested for being incapable through drink should have imposed upon them a very heavy fine.
Anyone who has to depend on the NHS for treatment of drink related injuries/illness, should be charged.
Any drink venue that has a ongoing problem of drink related violence, should be closed down, or have their licence suspended for a period of time.
This way the sensible person that wishes to enjoy the freedom of having a drink no matter what time of the day, will still be able to.
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I for one think the smoking ban is hypocritical, the government are happy enough to collect all the taxes from tobacco but won’t allow people the right to smoke while they relax a smokng room in a pub should be allowed and no I don’t smoke.
I don’t think the 24 hour thing has had a lot of impact out of town centres. My pub still shuts at 11 and I don’t know any that stay open after 12 I think it mainly affects clubs.
If they really want to stop binge drinking they should stop the sale in supermarkets.
I agree drink related crime should be punished extremley hard and on to of any fine all costs should be paid for by those found guilty - policing and cleaning (council cost)
I don’t think the 24 hour thing has had a lot of impact out of town centres. My pub still shuts at 11 and I don’t know any that stay open after 12 I think it mainly affects clubs.
If they really want to stop binge drinking they should stop the sale in supermarkets.
I agree drink related crime should be punished extremley hard and on to of any fine all costs should be paid for by those found guilty - policing and cleaning (council cost)
Smoking ban/Bear baiting ban? Rather a poor analogy I'm afraid.
I think you also ignored the provision of separate 'Smoking Rooms' with air conditioning.
To answer sp's concern regarding bar staff inhaling fumes, the smokers would not be allowed into the bar area while smoking.
If a more up-market venue had a separate bar in the smoke room, then the staff could be smokers themselves or employed with the knowledge that they would be working in a smoking area.
Incidentally, as I have already stated I am not a smoker, but to address the point on the smell of smokers, I wish to add that there are some perfumes on the market that are very pungent to me, in fact they give me headaches and make me feel physically sick, are we saying that the wearers of these perfumes should be banned also?
I think you also ignored the provision of separate 'Smoking Rooms' with air conditioning.
To answer sp's concern regarding bar staff inhaling fumes, the smokers would not be allowed into the bar area while smoking.
If a more up-market venue had a separate bar in the smoke room, then the staff could be smokers themselves or employed with the knowledge that they would be working in a smoking area.
Incidentally, as I have already stated I am not a smoker, but to address the point on the smell of smokers, I wish to add that there are some perfumes on the market that are very pungent to me, in fact they give me headaches and make me feel physically sick, are we saying that the wearers of these perfumes should be banned also?
With regards to the NHS treatment. I whole heartedly agree they should be charged in some way.
For example: Last year I was at a works party (I was not drinking) and another member of staff got so drunk she passed out and someone called an ambulance. I was fuming that she was taking up vital resources, someone else may have desperately needed that ambulance/staff care through no fault of their own. Ironically I broke my ankle that night whilst I was walking home alone and needed an ambulance myself.
For example: Last year I was at a works party (I was not drinking) and another member of staff got so drunk she passed out and someone called an ambulance. I was fuming that she was taking up vital resources, someone else may have desperately needed that ambulance/staff care through no fault of their own. Ironically I broke my ankle that night whilst I was walking home alone and needed an ambulance myself.
Spacechimp - The only reason that people smoke is for pleasure unlike a knife there is no other purpose.
Until the ban it was perfectly normal for people to smoke in pubs. To have that right removed but to still have the government collect the tax on it, was to my mind, totally hypocritical.
If the government really wanted to stop it they would ban it, creating a black market and allowing someone else all the money.
Until the ban it was perfectly normal for people to smoke in pubs. To have that right removed but to still have the government collect the tax on it, was to my mind, totally hypocritical.
If the government really wanted to stop it they would ban it, creating a black market and allowing someone else all the money.
In general, people smoke because they are addicted to nicotine. Occasionally they may smoke for pleasure but the vast majority of smoking is due to dependence.
Given that there is a population of addicts who suffer the resulting health problems, it would be stupid for the government to remove a large part of the revenue that pays for their treatment. It is more sensible to make smoking expensive and difficult in order gradually to wean people off their damaging and antisocial habit.
Given that there is a population of addicts who suffer the resulting health problems, it would be stupid for the government to remove a large part of the revenue that pays for their treatment. It is more sensible to make smoking expensive and difficult in order gradually to wean people off their damaging and antisocial habit.
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/// I think the smoking ban should stay as it is. It's nice that parents can take their kids to a child friendly pub without all that nasty smoke. ///
Kids in a pub? now that's another subject that we could go into.
Could it be that is why we have those drunken yobs on our streets, because some kids these days are brought up in a drink related atmosphere, watching all those adults pouring alcohol down their necks.
Is it any wonder they can't wait to grow up?
/// I think the smoking ban should stay as it is. It's nice that parents can take their kids to a child friendly pub without all that nasty smoke. ///
Kids in a pub? now that's another subject that we could go into.
Could it be that is why we have those drunken yobs on our streets, because some kids these days are brought up in a drink related atmosphere, watching all those adults pouring alcohol down their necks.
Is it any wonder they can't wait to grow up?
spacechimp
/// It would be stupid for the government to remove a large part of the revenue that pays for their treatment, .It is more sensible to make smoking expensive and difficult in order gradually to wean people off their damaging and antisocial habit. ///
Can't quite fathom your logic.
Gradually weaning people off or make it illegal it would still remove the revenue they gather.
/// It would be stupid for the government to remove a large part of the revenue that pays for their treatment, .It is more sensible to make smoking expensive and difficult in order gradually to wean people off their damaging and antisocial habit. ///
Can't quite fathom your logic.
Gradually weaning people off or make it illegal it would still remove the revenue they gather.
Can I just say I really enjoy coming home from the pub and not stinking of smoke or not getting my eyes stung. I love the benifits of the smoking ban, i really do.
But I do think that the government was hypocritical and some sort of adjustment is needed,
As for binge drinkers everything that AOG said plus they pay all costs.
Open containers in the street should be banned. Supermarket sales banned. Buying for underage very large fine 2nd offence prison. Underage drinking parents fined.
But I do think that the government was hypocritical and some sort of adjustment is needed,
As for binge drinkers everything that AOG said plus they pay all costs.
Open containers in the street should be banned. Supermarket sales banned. Buying for underage very large fine 2nd offence prison. Underage drinking parents fined.
>Smoking ban/Bear baiting ban? Rather a poor analogy I'm afraid.
Why?
I am sure many people have lost their jobs due to a change in the law, or change in technology.
We used to have people lighting gas lights in the street. Should we have kept gas lights because they will lose their jobs.
If pubs are closing due to smoking ban then they need to work round it.
Many Weatherspoon pubs are thriving because they offer many altrernatives to just sitting there drinking and smoking. Their pubs are mostly in high streets, serve food, tea, coffee etc and are often full of all sorts of people who may not normally go in a "pub"..
Why?
I am sure many people have lost their jobs due to a change in the law, or change in technology.
We used to have people lighting gas lights in the street. Should we have kept gas lights because they will lose their jobs.
If pubs are closing due to smoking ban then they need to work round it.
Many Weatherspoon pubs are thriving because they offer many altrernatives to just sitting there drinking and smoking. Their pubs are mostly in high streets, serve food, tea, coffee etc and are often full of all sorts of people who may not normally go in a "pub"..
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