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An absolute disgrace
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-113006 6/They-say-old-care-grandchildren-Social-worke rs-hand-brother-sister-gay-men-adoption.html
- and it's not just the Mail, it's being widely reported on BBC and LBC
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-113006 6/They-say-old-care-grandchildren-Social-worke rs-hand-brother-sister-gay-men-adoption.html
- and it's not just the Mail, it's being widely reported on BBC and LBC
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re: floobergobs recent answer questioning "mummy and auntie"...yes, they DID sleep in the same bed, yes they did/do have a sexual relationship like a normal loving couple would) .
It was concealed in the fact that the door was not left wide open while they were "at it" but like any other parents they would've made love whilst the daughter was asleep...that how heterosexual parents protect their kids from the personal issues like sex isn't it? so they would've done JUST the SAME as any other parents.
Unfortunately there was no way to protect her from taunts of schoolfriends....anyway the daughter did not tell them at the time (alot of kids don't tell parents about bullying for whatever reason) but like it's been said on this post hopefully in years to come human being wills top picking on others for their (or the adults that raise them) sexual preferance.
I don't think it is IDEAL for kids to be raised by homosexuals, just as I don't think it is IDEAL for kids to be adopted/fostered come from a single parent family or whatever....but in todays world the IDEAL just isn't there anymore unfortunately.
As for the age of the grandparents....i am pretty sure there are probably other health implications. Because of the job i do we often see fostering / adoption application forms and thereafter the family that has adopted them. (no I don't work for a fostering agency) there ARE other older grandparents who have adopted kids the grandkids ....those that get turned down (unfortunately as it must be very sad for them) seem to have other health implications.
PS - sorry for LONG LENGTHY reply.
It was concealed in the fact that the door was not left wide open while they were "at it" but like any other parents they would've made love whilst the daughter was asleep...that how heterosexual parents protect their kids from the personal issues like sex isn't it? so they would've done JUST the SAME as any other parents.
Unfortunately there was no way to protect her from taunts of schoolfriends....anyway the daughter did not tell them at the time (alot of kids don't tell parents about bullying for whatever reason) but like it's been said on this post hopefully in years to come human being wills top picking on others for their (or the adults that raise them) sexual preferance.
I don't think it is IDEAL for kids to be raised by homosexuals, just as I don't think it is IDEAL for kids to be adopted/fostered come from a single parent family or whatever....but in todays world the IDEAL just isn't there anymore unfortunately.
As for the age of the grandparents....i am pretty sure there are probably other health implications. Because of the job i do we often see fostering / adoption application forms and thereafter the family that has adopted them. (no I don't work for a fostering agency) there ARE other older grandparents who have adopted kids the grandkids ....those that get turned down (unfortunately as it must be very sad for them) seem to have other health implications.
PS - sorry for LONG LENGTHY reply.
R1Geezer
Saying that pre-birth determination is genetic is a bit of a fudge.
There are a number of pre-birth stimuli which can lead to character traits later in life which have nothing to do with genes...for instance, there isn't a gene for being left or right handed, but this is something that's assigned in the womb.
It might sound like splitting hairs, and that's because it is.
Saying that pre-birth determination is genetic is a bit of a fudge.
There are a number of pre-birth stimuli which can lead to character traits later in life which have nothing to do with genes...for instance, there isn't a gene for being left or right handed, but this is something that's assigned in the womb.
It might sound like splitting hairs, and that's because it is.
The Social Workers were prejuadice when they judged the Grand Parents too old to care for their Grand Children.
Not true - firstly the council have not commented on this matter so we don't know the reason that the grand parents have for not adopting (other than one side of the story)
and secondly, the social services have investigated the people - hardly a prejudice view!
That's the irony of it all. You are concerned that these 'poor children' will be taunted, because of their 'abnormal' circumstances by other children (because they can be so cruel, you know), and these cruel and merciless children will be just like your children !
If my son was ever taunted at school, it would have been by the children of bigots...........those children who grew up over-hearing that 'it's not normal for queers to bring up children'......
If my son was ever taunted at school, it would have been by the children of bigots...........those children who grew up over-hearing that 'it's not normal for queers to bring up children'......
yes. what a good point craft 1948. my brother and his wife cannot have kids, i think they would be excellent parents, (both materially and empotionally) and would like to adopt.
The borough that they live in only allows 12 adoptions / fostsering a year (quotas again). They want to broaden their chances as much as possible and said they would be open to fostering / adopting any age or race. but have been told they cannot adopt a mixed race child (they are both white) UNLESS...that child is severly handicapped.
(ie; no-one else "wants" the kiddie and it's cost too much I suspect for social services to take care of the child)
The borough that they live in only allows 12 adoptions / fostsering a year (quotas again). They want to broaden their chances as much as possible and said they would be open to fostering / adopting any age or race. but have been told they cannot adopt a mixed race child (they are both white) UNLESS...that child is severly handicapped.
(ie; no-one else "wants" the kiddie and it's cost too much I suspect for social services to take care of the child)
No HJ, it's nothing to do with ignorance, it's just that you are annoyed with me.
It is simply absolutely true that it is not normal for a "queer" couple to bring up children. It is not normal, that's not even open to discussion. It may well be tolerated and nowadays liberally encouraged, but that does not make it normal.
And don't be silly, I may have strong views of which you strongly disapprove, but I am tolerant and not a bigot (look it up before you laugh) and most certainly would not encourage that sort of cruel behaviour in anybody, least of all children.
It is simply absolutely true that it is not normal for a "queer" couple to bring up children. It is not normal, that's not even open to discussion. It may well be tolerated and nowadays liberally encouraged, but that does not make it normal.
And don't be silly, I may have strong views of which you strongly disapprove, but I am tolerant and not a bigot (look it up before you laugh) and most certainly would not encourage that sort of cruel behaviour in anybody, least of all children.
It is simply absolutely true that it is not normal for a "queer" couple to bring up children. It is not normal, that's not even open to discussion.
Yes, very open minded and unbigoted.
Normal is something that changes on a daily basis.
30 years ago it was not 'normal' for a mixed marriage
60 years ago it was not 'normal' for a black person to have equal rights with a white person
100 years ago it was not 'normal' for a woman to be able to vote.
Yes, very open minded and unbigoted.
Normal is something that changes on a daily basis.
30 years ago it was not 'normal' for a mixed marriage
60 years ago it was not 'normal' for a black person to have equal rights with a white person
100 years ago it was not 'normal' for a woman to be able to vote.
If you don't discourage such behaviour, then you are tacitly encouraging it.
I don't need to look up the definition of the word bigot, I used it in an entirely correct manner.
You seek to assure us of your tolerance whilst proving the exact opposite.
Gay parents are no more nor less proficient or deficient in their parenting skills than heterosexual ones..............and I defy you to prove otherwise.
I don't need to look up the definition of the word bigot, I used it in an entirely correct manner.
You seek to assure us of your tolerance whilst proving the exact opposite.
Gay parents are no more nor less proficient or deficient in their parenting skills than heterosexual ones..............and I defy you to prove otherwise.
flobbergob
But couldn't you argue that what isn't considered 'normal' in 2009 will be accepted in 2059?
For instance, if you could transport an Edwardian gentleman to Britain in 2009, wouldn't he be shocked at women voting?
If you transported Margaret Thatcher from 1969 (when she said "There will never be a woman prime minister in my time" to 1979, you'd probably find she'd changed her mind!
But couldn't you argue that what isn't considered 'normal' in 2009 will be accepted in 2059?
For instance, if you could transport an Edwardian gentleman to Britain in 2009, wouldn't he be shocked at women voting?
If you transported Margaret Thatcher from 1969 (when she said "There will never be a woman prime minister in my time" to 1979, you'd probably find she'd changed her mind!
Of course I would discourage such behaviour, there's just not a lot of it going on in my life to discourage.
It has nothing to do with parenting skills, nor tolerance. I AM indeed tolerant, tolerance is about the way conduct yourself, not about anonymous debates on a messageboard. I may have an aversion to homosexuality, but I tolerate it (no choice actually).
I say "not normal" in the sense of unusual, abnormal.
It is also remarkable in the sense of worthy of remark.
It has nothing either to do with rights or legislation.
It remains the normal view that a child is best brought up in a family with two parents, a mum and a dad. Yes yes yes single parents can be fab, homosexual "parents" can be wonderful you'll say, but that is not my point. As of 2008, it is not a normal thing - yet.
It has nothing to do with parenting skills, nor tolerance. I AM indeed tolerant, tolerance is about the way conduct yourself, not about anonymous debates on a messageboard. I may have an aversion to homosexuality, but I tolerate it (no choice actually).
I say "not normal" in the sense of unusual, abnormal.
It is also remarkable in the sense of worthy of remark.
It has nothing either to do with rights or legislation.
It remains the normal view that a child is best brought up in a family with two parents, a mum and a dad. Yes yes yes single parents can be fab, homosexual "parents" can be wonderful you'll say, but that is not my point. As of 2008, it is not a normal thing - yet.
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