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Question time....."Islamaphobia"
Why do they never give the obvious answer? When the Muslim guy moaned about "Islamaphobia at fever pitch" and Stoke voters electing 9 BNP candidates, why did no one give the correct answer rather than the usual walking on eggshells standard responses when Islam is involved? I was screaming at the Telly! Is Islamaphobia at "fever pitch"?
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why is military action being taken in those places? Is that what you're asking? I think you know, what did the West do to you that was so bad that new york etc took place? that's why western trroops are in the middle eastern sh1t holes becauase you muslim buddies started it. Can Islam not see that simple cause and effect. Any innocent's bl00d is on the hand of Islam.
i am also the Sherman
So far you have accused me of being muslim
some shi ite about left wing something or other
and a pot head!
gosh this is how fights start R1Geezer!
You are full of hatred aren't you!
The funniest thing is I have no sympathy with any religion I hate them all equally!
However i agree strongly with human rights and am a big supporter of amnesty international.
Right now us blowing up iraq, a country which had NOTHING to do with 9/11 doesn't quite seem right to me!
but anyway my point still stands that we need immigrants in this country for i to survive therefore we have to welcome people over.
the old guard with views like yours will mostly die out i guess over the next 10 -20 years so hopefully we won't have to listen to white fundamental hatred like yours for too long!
So far you have accused me of being muslim
some shi ite about left wing something or other
and a pot head!
gosh this is how fights start R1Geezer!
You are full of hatred aren't you!
The funniest thing is I have no sympathy with any religion I hate them all equally!
However i agree strongly with human rights and am a big supporter of amnesty international.
Right now us blowing up iraq, a country which had NOTHING to do with 9/11 doesn't quite seem right to me!
but anyway my point still stands that we need immigrants in this country for i to survive therefore we have to welcome people over.
the old guard with views like yours will mostly die out i guess over the next 10 -20 years so hopefully we won't have to listen to white fundamental hatred like yours for too long!
Keyplus typical.
How was it started by Muslim extremists.
Why was it started, because there is a great satan in the west (The great Satan that Muslim states happily bought arms and technology from, traded with and emigrated to)
We were put upon and had to stand up for ourselves (What you should have done is what the Eastern block did and shut your borders)
Let us kill the innocent - we are justified by our book even though our clerics say other wise. We don't care who we kill children, women, Muslim, Jew Christian all fair game.
Whats this retaliation - You are only kill the innocent, because terrorists are cowards they hide amongst the innocent, and should the innocent die they scream off about human rights, about the innocent and basicaly use of concept of a free society.
Thats those concepts which are denied in Muslim societys.
Don't talk about the innocent unless you talk about the innocents killed by the cowards you come on here to defend.
How was it started by Muslim extremists.
Why was it started, because there is a great satan in the west (The great Satan that Muslim states happily bought arms and technology from, traded with and emigrated to)
We were put upon and had to stand up for ourselves (What you should have done is what the Eastern block did and shut your borders)
Let us kill the innocent - we are justified by our book even though our clerics say other wise. We don't care who we kill children, women, Muslim, Jew Christian all fair game.
Whats this retaliation - You are only kill the innocent, because terrorists are cowards they hide amongst the innocent, and should the innocent die they scream off about human rights, about the innocent and basicaly use of concept of a free society.
Thats those concepts which are denied in Muslim societys.
Don't talk about the innocent unless you talk about the innocents killed by the cowards you come on here to defend.
Whilst I agree with Sherman that this country does need a certain amount of immigration, and I don't want to become embroiled in the war argument, I would like to pick up on something else he said.
the old guard with views like yours will mostly die out i guess over the next 10 -20 years so hopefully we won't have to listen to white fundamental hatred like yours for too long!
According to Keyplus, Sherman, you will get your wish.
As far as the domination of Islam is concerned. Truth always come out on top, sooner or later. You believe it or not. Your problem.
I think he's right. It will be our problem.
the old guard with views like yours will mostly die out i guess over the next 10 -20 years so hopefully we won't have to listen to white fundamental hatred like yours for too long!
According to Keyplus, Sherman, you will get your wish.
As far as the domination of Islam is concerned. Truth always come out on top, sooner or later. You believe it or not. Your problem.
I think he's right. It will be our problem.
I know this thread has gone off topic somewhat. So briefly, I would like to comment on the word �Islamaphobia�.
A �phobia� is defined as �...an intense, unrealistic fear, which can interfere with the ability to socialize, work, or go about everyday life, that is brought on by an object, event or situation.�.
Apart from the fact that �Islamaphobia� is simply a made up word, it suggests that people are scared of / dislike Islam because of some weird irrational fear.
I believe that many people dislike Islam not through some misunderstanding of the religion but because they dislike what the religion stands for � subjugation of women, violent intolerance of criticism, the sanction of pre-pubescent girls marrying much older men, etc.
This is dislike, not through fear but through a genuine belief that life for the vast majority of people in this country would be infinitely worse under Islamic rule. There�s nothing �phobic� or irrational about that.
A �phobia� is defined as �...an intense, unrealistic fear, which can interfere with the ability to socialize, work, or go about everyday life, that is brought on by an object, event or situation.�.
Apart from the fact that �Islamaphobia� is simply a made up word, it suggests that people are scared of / dislike Islam because of some weird irrational fear.
I believe that many people dislike Islam not through some misunderstanding of the religion but because they dislike what the religion stands for � subjugation of women, violent intolerance of criticism, the sanction of pre-pubescent girls marrying much older men, etc.
This is dislike, not through fear but through a genuine belief that life for the vast majority of people in this country would be infinitely worse under Islamic rule. There�s nothing �phobic� or irrational about that.
Geezer is a racist bas88rd and that is the reason he can not condemn innocent killing on the other side of the world. His excuse is invalid as we all know that terrorist attacks are in fact the result of the wrong policies of the USA and few Western countries. Otherwise another simple question, why terrorists did not attack Germany, France, or any other country. Why IRA were carrying out attacks in England and why France was under attack from Algerians. I know many people even in the West now have started accepting that wrong policies started terrorism an not the other way around. But the thing is you people are more interested in 3000 and do not give a damn about over few millions. Because they simply aren�t human any many people�s eyes here.
Brinon � yes you are right that people demonstrated against war here but what is the result? I agree with your comments about leaders of Islam. And that is another reason why people are fed up with their leaders as they all know that they are more worried about their own interests. Fresh example is Pakistan (my own country), new govt came into power because of the slogan that Musharaf had pushed Pakistan into a war that had nothing to do with them. Well, after coming to power they are doing more than Musharaf to make Americans happy by killing more and more of their own people. They are creating enemies within and guess what? Americans are thinking to give another hug to Taliban. Yes you are right Muslim leaders are to blame for backing up wrong policies for their own bank accounts.
Brinon � yes you are right that people demonstrated against war here but what is the result? I agree with your comments about leaders of Islam. And that is another reason why people are fed up with their leaders as they all know that they are more worried about their own interests. Fresh example is Pakistan (my own country), new govt came into power because of the slogan that Musharaf had pushed Pakistan into a war that had nothing to do with them. Well, after coming to power they are doing more than Musharaf to make Americans happy by killing more and more of their own people. They are creating enemies within and guess what? Americans are thinking to give another hug to Taliban. Yes you are right Muslim leaders are to blame for backing up wrong policies for their own bank accounts.
Keyplus, since racism per se is irrational, and the issues raised here go far beyond such banality, there�s little point in trying to muster support or sympathy from intelligent people by conveniently ranting with that old cherry.
You talk about the injustice of innocent people being killed, and yet you refuse to denounce 9/11 or 7/7. And why? Because innocent is the operative word in your vocabulary, isn�t it? We are all guilty aren�t we, simply because we are westerners? No one affected by 9/11 or 7/7 deserved what happened to them, no more than the ordinary people in the Middle East deserve what�s happening to them. In truth, I doubt there are many people here who support, or who ever supported, the war, and I can�t imagine many wanting to see anyone suffer, but that makes no difference to you, does it? The fact is that Muslim terrorists did attack the Twin Towers, and nothing you say can excuse that atrocity. Politicians, in direct opposition to the wishes of, I would say, the majority of the electorate, reacted, leaving the people of the west, in your eyes, guilty by default. Despite the fact that you�ve chosen to live amongst us, to be educated by this country, and to bring your children up here, you see us as your enemy, and you are determined that eventually Islam will triumph over the west. That is the crux of the matter. Can you wonder that people mistrust you?
From you:
�They plot & plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah� (Al-Anfal:30)
You talk about the injustice of innocent people being killed, and yet you refuse to denounce 9/11 or 7/7. And why? Because innocent is the operative word in your vocabulary, isn�t it? We are all guilty aren�t we, simply because we are westerners? No one affected by 9/11 or 7/7 deserved what happened to them, no more than the ordinary people in the Middle East deserve what�s happening to them. In truth, I doubt there are many people here who support, or who ever supported, the war, and I can�t imagine many wanting to see anyone suffer, but that makes no difference to you, does it? The fact is that Muslim terrorists did attack the Twin Towers, and nothing you say can excuse that atrocity. Politicians, in direct opposition to the wishes of, I would say, the majority of the electorate, reacted, leaving the people of the west, in your eyes, guilty by default. Despite the fact that you�ve chosen to live amongst us, to be educated by this country, and to bring your children up here, you see us as your enemy, and you are determined that eventually Islam will triumph over the west. That is the crux of the matter. Can you wonder that people mistrust you?
From you:
�They plot & plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah� (Al-Anfal:30)
Well said Naomi.
Keyplus - I see you have not had one word to say to my rebuttals on this recent question...
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question63 9707.html
Keyplus - I see you have not had one word to say to my rebuttals on this recent question...
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question63 9707.html
I think you are surely blind Naomi - If you could not read even my bold letters there saying that I condemn any sort of innocent killing. Again, did I say that I condemn any sort of innocent Muslim killing? No. And still you are saying that I do not denounce terrorist acts. In fact I have done so, when you say any and any where, by any one I think that covers every one. But you would as usual keep on saying , ooh keyplus does not denounce. As I said once before that you surely work on the formula that tell the lie with so confidence and so much that it should start looking like a truth.
As far as <Westerns are concerned then yes I do say things like I said for the policy makers if you think you and all the Westerns are included in policy makings then fine believe that I am against you. My neighbour next door has nothing to do with wrong policies so why would I include him in it. But I am sure you will not understand because you just do not want to.
Birdie - again, you have to read that question yourself with glasses on. I have said what I wanted to say there. Of course I might not have said what you wanted me to say. And you people only want to hear what suits you.
In fact I know what the main problem of few people is here, I do not think before me any Muslims stood so firm and opposed your false propaganda. So few people are just not used to it.
As far as <Westerns are concerned then yes I do say things like I said for the policy makers if you think you and all the Westerns are included in policy makings then fine believe that I am against you. My neighbour next door has nothing to do with wrong policies so why would I include him in it. But I am sure you will not understand because you just do not want to.
Birdie - again, you have to read that question yourself with glasses on. I have said what I wanted to say there. Of course I might not have said what you wanted me to say. And you people only want to hear what suits you.
In fact I know what the main problem of few people is here, I do not think before me any Muslims stood so firm and opposed your false propaganda. So few people are just not used to it.
Thank you Niaomi. I could have done with you the other day when Key went off on one.
Again the same old arguments but with no support.
'Again, did I say that I condemn any sort of innocent Muslim killing? No. And still you are saying that I do not denounce terrorist acts.' Keyplus.
I haven't seen you denounce anything to do with Islam.
You just skip round it by flinging mud at everyone else.
'As I said once before that you surely work on the formula that tell the lie with so confidence and so much that it should start looking like a truth.' Keyplus
And you don't. Your whole argument is always based on the formula that Islam is right and everything else is wrong.
Hardly a good standing point really.
Again the same old arguments but with no support.
'Again, did I say that I condemn any sort of innocent Muslim killing? No. And still you are saying that I do not denounce terrorist acts.' Keyplus.
I haven't seen you denounce anything to do with Islam.
You just skip round it by flinging mud at everyone else.
'As I said once before that you surely work on the formula that tell the lie with so confidence and so much that it should start looking like a truth.' Keyplus
And you don't. Your whole argument is always based on the formula that Islam is right and everything else is wrong.
Hardly a good standing point really.
Keyplus � �again, you have to read that question yourself with glasses on.�
I have � both with and without my specs. You said and I quote, �Now a very simple question for birdie and Trojan. And I am sure I have asked this to birdie before and never got a proper answer so I wouldn�t be surprised if the same happens this time.�
So let�s get this straight. You specifically asked me (and Trojan) a question. I have answered that question in a full and complete manner. I have completely demolished your argument that there is no compulsion in Islam and that Islam is benign and poses no threat to humanity.
The fact that I have answered your questions fully, honestly and completely, using the Koran as a reference and you have not had a single word to say about that, suggests to me that you cannot refute my arguments.
Or is it your debating technique to pose questions to members of AB, only then to ignore the perfectly reasonable responses?
I suspect it is the latter.
You cherry-pick quotes from the Koran in a pathetic attempt to �prove� Islam is a force for good in the world, whilst ignoring the myriad of quotes which show that Islam is vindictive, petty and just plain evil.
I think it�s fair to say that everyone on here can see you for what you are � a dishonest person who is quite prepared to lie in order to push your �Islam is great� agenda.
I have � both with and without my specs. You said and I quote, �Now a very simple question for birdie and Trojan. And I am sure I have asked this to birdie before and never got a proper answer so I wouldn�t be surprised if the same happens this time.�
So let�s get this straight. You specifically asked me (and Trojan) a question. I have answered that question in a full and complete manner. I have completely demolished your argument that there is no compulsion in Islam and that Islam is benign and poses no threat to humanity.
The fact that I have answered your questions fully, honestly and completely, using the Koran as a reference and you have not had a single word to say about that, suggests to me that you cannot refute my arguments.
Or is it your debating technique to pose questions to members of AB, only then to ignore the perfectly reasonable responses?
I suspect it is the latter.
You cherry-pick quotes from the Koran in a pathetic attempt to �prove� Islam is a force for good in the world, whilst ignoring the myriad of quotes which show that Islam is vindictive, petty and just plain evil.
I think it�s fair to say that everyone on here can see you for what you are � a dishonest person who is quite prepared to lie in order to push your �Islam is great� agenda.
Sadly for you Keyplus, I am not blind and neither am I stupid. I have an excellent memory, I know exactly what you are - and you know it - and that's what you hate so much. As I've said many times, you are deceitful little man, and that must surely now be obvious to all - except perhaps the most gullible. Birdie is absolutely right.
Tell me one thing, Keyplus. If an Islamic nation invaded this country tomorrow, whose side would you be on?
Tigerlily, I'm so sorry. Were you in R&S? If you leave a message there for me anytime, I'll always see it.
Tell me one thing, Keyplus. If an Islamic nation invaded this country tomorrow, whose side would you be on?
Tigerlily, I'm so sorry. Were you in R&S? If you leave a message there for me anytime, I'll always see it.
Precisely what anti Muslim policies did Indonesia promulgate for the fundamentalists to bomb them?
Or was that just collateral damage?
A good friend of mine (Muslim) when the Iraq war (part 2) had just begun, I asked him what did he object to? The killing of innocent people in the prosecution of this war or the killing of innocent Muslims by non-Muslims?
He just smiled and laughed, true story.
I did'nt see many protests (Muslim or otherwise) in defence (or outrage) at the killing of innocent Serbs during the Kosovan crisis (remember the train?) nor do I see much criticism of Robin Cook and his "ethical foreign policy" that sold Hawk jets to Indonesia (whilst occupying East-Timor) and bombed the sh1t out of Serbia (historically one of our staunchest allies and yet consistently betrayed by us) a policy that basically said we'll sell you all these bombs and all these bullets as long as you promise not to use them and turned a blind eye to Israeli actions which IMHO was the whole casus bellai of the anti Serbian war.
Two wrongs don't make a right, turn the other cheek my saviour said.
Or was that just collateral damage?
A good friend of mine (Muslim) when the Iraq war (part 2) had just begun, I asked him what did he object to? The killing of innocent people in the prosecution of this war or the killing of innocent Muslims by non-Muslims?
He just smiled and laughed, true story.
I did'nt see many protests (Muslim or otherwise) in defence (or outrage) at the killing of innocent Serbs during the Kosovan crisis (remember the train?) nor do I see much criticism of Robin Cook and his "ethical foreign policy" that sold Hawk jets to Indonesia (whilst occupying East-Timor) and bombed the sh1t out of Serbia (historically one of our staunchest allies and yet consistently betrayed by us) a policy that basically said we'll sell you all these bombs and all these bullets as long as you promise not to use them and turned a blind eye to Israeli actions which IMHO was the whole casus bellai of the anti Serbian war.
Two wrongs don't make a right, turn the other cheek my saviour said.
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