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Seeing that some of you have either chosen to take my postings completely out of context, or have chosen to fabricate untruths, if not complete lies so as to somehow strengthen their own agenda. With this in mind it has therefore been necessary for me to find someway to simplify where I am coming from, for the benefit of those amongst us who seem to carry a rather large chip on their shoulders, and to find it advantageous in some way to keep playing the race card.
Well here goes: - I take England to be my house and the UK to be my village.
MY HOUSE: - If I invite guests into my house I expect them to respect and conform to the house rules. I do not wish them to section part of my house off for themselves and then set their own rules. The same rules will apply to all my guests; I will not set different rules for guests or their offspring's (either for my advantage or for theirs) just because they happen to have a different colour skin to mine. And if they (no matter who they are) do not wish to pay me a visit for whatever reason so be it.
MY VILLAGE: - It is no business of mine what ground rules they set themselves in their own individual houses in the village i.e. Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, providing of course they behave for the good of the village as a whole.
I hope this somehow convinces the likes of Gromit, finger print and sp1814, that I am in no way a racist, but somehow I don't think it ever will they are too set in their ways, and it is an easy get-out for them. As regards Mani Hussain he is just a lying hopeless case.
Well here goes: - I take England to be my house and the UK to be my village.
MY HOUSE: - If I invite guests into my house I expect them to respect and conform to the house rules. I do not wish them to section part of my house off for themselves and then set their own rules. The same rules will apply to all my guests; I will not set different rules for guests or their offspring's (either for my advantage or for theirs) just because they happen to have a different colour skin to mine. And if they (no matter who they are) do not wish to pay me a visit for whatever reason so be it.
MY VILLAGE: - It is no business of mine what ground rules they set themselves in their own individual houses in the village i.e. Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, providing of course they behave for the good of the village as a whole.
I hope this somehow convinces the likes of Gromit, finger print and sp1814, that I am in no way a racist, but somehow I don't think it ever will they are too set in their ways, and it is an easy get-out for them. As regards Mani Hussain he is just a lying hopeless case.
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Oh dear sp1814, what can I say? i have always credited you with some intelligence, but after having a quick read through your numourous posts, I have come to the conclusion that you are beginning to loose the plot, or you are taking something a little stronger than coffee.
So it is with a heavy heart that I will have to put you on the back burner, for another day, and I promise that I won't get at all flustered.
So in the meantime old friend, have a lie down in a quiet dark room, but not in my HOUSE as I am not taking in guests at the moment, at least I don't think so unless I've left the tradesmen's entrance door open.
So it is with a heavy heart that I will have to put you on the back burner, for another day, and I promise that I won't get at all flustered.
So in the meantime old friend, have a lie down in a quiet dark room, but not in my HOUSE as I am not taking in guests at the moment, at least I don't think so unless I've left the tradesmen's entrance door open.
Haven't been around for a couple of days, but I found this quite interesting, not the least because I think I stood behind AOG in the post office queue the other day. Leastways an old boy at the counter was moaning something chronic because he was "eighty-four, lived in this country all me life and now some bl__dy foreigner's asking me to prove who I am!" (cashier was a young Asian girl who needed proof of his ID in order to pay him some money).
Anyway, that aside, AOG, if you're not racist, then what sort of behaviour or comment, in your opinion, is racist?
Can I also ask whether you think it more respectful for a Sikh to enter a church with his long hair flowing behind him, or to keep it neatly tucked away in a turban - which is why they're worn in the first place?
Anyway, that aside, AOG, if you're not racist, then what sort of behaviour or comment, in your opinion, is racist?
Can I also ask whether you think it more respectful for a Sikh to enter a church with his long hair flowing behind him, or to keep it neatly tucked away in a turban - which is why they're worn in the first place?
Just wanted to point out a couple of things:
1) My user name is Oneeyed vic - not oneeyd iv
2) I have never had a second user name / account etc
3) Why bother using an analogy that doesn't work - the point of an analogy is the comparison of two similar scenarios.
4) Comments like "Of course people with a different colour to white are not indigenous English .... Just because one is born in a stable does not make one a horse." are (to my mind) ignorant and just plain wrong.
1) My user name is Oneeyed vic - not oneeyd iv
2) I have never had a second user name / account etc
3) Why bother using an analogy that doesn't work - the point of an analogy is the comparison of two similar scenarios.
4) Comments like "Of course people with a different colour to white are not indigenous English .... Just because one is born in a stable does not make one a horse." are (to my mind) ignorant and just plain wrong.
I agree with the poster, he is only stating his views.It is a free country after all!He;s not asking for slavery to be reintroduced, just making a point about this country in recent days and what can only be regarded as 'reverse racism'.towards the indigenous population who want to object to the pandering to certain minorities.I hope you keep objecting anoldgit and put these eejits in their place again and again.I dont care if someone calls me racist, I'll accept any culture until they start attacking mine in the name of religion!
what ever gave you the idea whites cannot be African? Tell that to any Boer. If you are arguing that of course their ancestors came from Europe, you should remember that everyone's ancestors came from Africa.
And likewise there are simply no such things as 'indigenous' Englishmen. The first people in 'England' were probably Celts; the Angles who gave the country its name didn't turn up till after the Romans had gone, and they came from Germany (so maybe you're German like the queen?) Chuck in Vikings, Normans and so forth, and what's indigenous? If you just mean 'white', say so, but realise that this may be why crazy mixed-up people imagine you're a racist.
And likewise there are simply no such things as 'indigenous' Englishmen. The first people in 'England' were probably Celts; the Angles who gave the country its name didn't turn up till after the Romans had gone, and they came from Germany (so maybe you're German like the queen?) Chuck in Vikings, Normans and so forth, and what's indigenous? If you just mean 'white', say so, but realise that this may be why crazy mixed-up people imagine you're a racist.
Everyone (especially the 'free thinkers')
I need to ask this question...can you please explain to me what you think racism is?
I ask this in all serious...would you call name-calling (n*gger, p*ki, h*nky, etc) racism, or does there have to be physical assault too?
If someone honestly doesn't like blacks and Asians (and I'm not referring to AOG here at all) and expresses their opinion, would you say that they're just being honest, or would you say that they were racist?
I'm honestly interested - at what point is someone racist? Where would you concede it begins?
I need to ask this question...can you please explain to me what you think racism is?
I ask this in all serious...would you call name-calling (n*gger, p*ki, h*nky, etc) racism, or does there have to be physical assault too?
If someone honestly doesn't like blacks and Asians (and I'm not referring to AOG here at all) and expresses their opinion, would you say that they're just being honest, or would you say that they were racist?
I'm honestly interested - at what point is someone racist? Where would you concede it begins?
SP1814 - I just checked out a dictionary definition - Racism is defined as any discriminatory or abusive behavior towards another on the grounds of race.
I definately don't think racism has to be physical or blatant name calling. These days that sort of thing is considered unnacceptable by almost everyone, and therefore racism has evoloved to become more subtle and hidden than that.
A good friend of mine has a name that is very cleary a black persons name, despite having a string of qualifications and relevant experience she found it almost impossible to get the type of job she was looking for. She visited a careers officer who told her that as long as she could immediately be identified as being black she would struggle to gain employment and that she should use a different name. She did and quickly found a job!! I know it sounds like it could be a coincidence but I could give you a million examples like this.
I definately don't think racism has to be physical or blatant name calling. These days that sort of thing is considered unnacceptable by almost everyone, and therefore racism has evoloved to become more subtle and hidden than that.
A good friend of mine has a name that is very cleary a black persons name, despite having a string of qualifications and relevant experience she found it almost impossible to get the type of job she was looking for. She visited a careers officer who told her that as long as she could immediately be identified as being black she would struggle to gain employment and that she should use a different name. She did and quickly found a job!! I know it sounds like it could be a coincidence but I could give you a million examples like this.
During the 60's after leaving the airforce anotheoldgit had a relationship with a beautful black woman named Floella. It was the summer of love and they were passionately in love. He called her his ebony princess and loved to spend hours running his fingers through her afro hair. Anotheoldgit wrote passionate love letters and recited poetry to her everyday. It was the happiest time of his life and they soon decided to marry.
However love soon turned to hate on the day of their wedding anotheoldgit caught Floella kissing his best man. He was totally destroyed and that day vowed to seek his revenge on anyone with a brown face. He has walked the streets looking for Sikh men riding motorcycles without helmets so that he could launch vigilante attacks on them (didn't find any). He his pickoted meetings of the Black Police Assosiation and rap concerts. Floella went onto become the famous tv presenter Floella Benjamin.
So this is his story, maybe if we can get Floella to apologise to anotheoldgit we can somehow stop his attacks on non-whites?
However love soon turned to hate on the day of their wedding anotheoldgit caught Floella kissing his best man. He was totally destroyed and that day vowed to seek his revenge on anyone with a brown face. He has walked the streets looking for Sikh men riding motorcycles without helmets so that he could launch vigilante attacks on them (didn't find any). He his pickoted meetings of the Black Police Assosiation and rap concerts. Floella went onto become the famous tv presenter Floella Benjamin.
So this is his story, maybe if we can get Floella to apologise to anotheoldgit we can somehow stop his attacks on non-whites?
The above would never happen Philanthro. As we all know the model of an inter-racial relationship is a black guy with a pretty blonde. It is culturally wrong and frowned upon for a black lady to date a white man by her community. They would walk down Brixton high street hand in hand to shouts of 'Sell out' to his ebony beau. And if Ano had dated an asian girl then rather finding time to post on the AB they would continuously be finding new places to hide around the country to escape the large network of Asians baying for both of their deaths, as issed by her family.
So it's all down to Floella Benjamin eh, or should I say Floella Benjamin OBE.
Booldawg - There are loads of black women who are with white men, and it's happening more and more. Maybe in some poor areas where people are less educated it is seen as unacceptable but that's no different to poor white areas where it is also seen as unacceptable.
Booldawg - There are loads of black women who are with white men, and it's happening more and more. Maybe in some poor areas where people are less educated it is seen as unacceptable but that's no different to poor white areas where it is also seen as unacceptable.
Cant a man state his opinion anymore? besides which everyone is racist when it all boils down to it? no matter how "liberal" you think you are. your cultures white, unless youve been brought up in a hippy commune in the sticks somewhere youve been influenced by society in general. one of my friends who is a asian (i think its racist to say that now) hates liberal men as when they go out with her they want to talk about the "black experience" without noticing it theyre being racist.
Ok, sp1814 here's my definition. I don't know how closely it matches what's in the dictionary, but it's what I believe.
A racist is someone who believes that some races or ethnic groups are inherently inferior or of lesser worth than others.
If you hold those beliefs and never act on them you are still a racist. If you act on them by either verbal or physical assault, discrimination, preferential treatment, or simply expressing those opinions to others then you are actively racist, and there are laws in place to punish that behaviour. Quite rightly.
I also agree with what you said earlier, which is that harbouring a few racial prejudices is a long way from being a racist.
As an example of that I give you my mother.
She believes that all Italians have a hot temper, Germans can't be trusted, and that Jamaicans are 'laid back' like in the Bacardi advert.
That doesn't make her a racist. It makes her an ignorant old biddy who doesn't have a malicious bone in her body, and who is a product of the times she grew up in - ie non PC wartime Britain.
I think every single one of us 'buys in' to those kind of stereotypes to some extent, however small.
A racist is someone who believes that some races or ethnic groups are inherently inferior or of lesser worth than others.
If you hold those beliefs and never act on them you are still a racist. If you act on them by either verbal or physical assault, discrimination, preferential treatment, or simply expressing those opinions to others then you are actively racist, and there are laws in place to punish that behaviour. Quite rightly.
I also agree with what you said earlier, which is that harbouring a few racial prejudices is a long way from being a racist.
As an example of that I give you my mother.
She believes that all Italians have a hot temper, Germans can't be trusted, and that Jamaicans are 'laid back' like in the Bacardi advert.
That doesn't make her a racist. It makes her an ignorant old biddy who doesn't have a malicious bone in her body, and who is a product of the times she grew up in - ie non PC wartime Britain.
I think every single one of us 'buys in' to those kind of stereotypes to some extent, however small.
I think someone can hold the opinion that a multicultural society is not a good thing and not be racist. I think anotheoldgit remembers a time post war there was optimism and full mployment, and it was probably a good period to live through. However, things change and not always for the better. anotheoldgit attributes the present ills to the multicultural society we have now. I don't agree with him, but I don't think it demonstrate zenophobia or racism on his part.
This is good - we're now discussing racism without anyone getting all hot under the collar.
ludwig raises a good point. I'll hold up my hand and admit that I have a couple of racial prejudices that I have to keep in check - for instance, I automatically assume that all Chinese kids are very clever, simply because the few Chinese we had in our school were all very, very, very clever.
Germans always seem to be very technically gifted, and I get that from working with a lot of German IT people, and finally, Aussies and New Zealanders will always be good fun on a night out.
Racial prejudice is just assuming something based on their racial background. However, when you start acting on those prejudices in a way as to abuse, bully, withold services or employment/housing etc - that's when it becomes racism...in my view.
ludwig raises a good point. I'll hold up my hand and admit that I have a couple of racial prejudices that I have to keep in check - for instance, I automatically assume that all Chinese kids are very clever, simply because the few Chinese we had in our school were all very, very, very clever.
Germans always seem to be very technically gifted, and I get that from working with a lot of German IT people, and finally, Aussies and New Zealanders will always be good fun on a night out.
Racial prejudice is just assuming something based on their racial background. However, when you start acting on those prejudices in a way as to abuse, bully, withold services or employment/housing etc - that's when it becomes racism...in my view.
I cant really add to this thread as I find Sp1814 manages to remain the voice of reason and does it so much better than I ever could.
Fingerprint I cannot believe that your friend struggles to find employment because of her name, that seems insane to me. I live in the west country and we have a very small ethnic minority here. Its not usual to see Asians here and you never ever here of racist attacks in our town. I used to visit my exs family in Birmingham and they were all BNP voters, and hated anyone who wasn't white. When I used to voice my concerns about they way they talked, especially to my partners brother (as I am sure he was out with groups of other skinheads beating Asians up for no other reason than the colour of their skin) I would get told you don't know what its like to live round them, you would think the same too. I just thought no I wouldn't cause I'm not an idiot.
The Immigration postings wind me up as the ones I have seen often haven't contained a line like, I don't mind people coming here if they are trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, or are genuinely seeking asylum. It all seems to be very anti-muslim. I find it insane that we call ourselves a Christian country when I know more practicing Muslims than I do Christians and "they" are the minority.
I am quite proud of our country as a whole and think, in general, most people are extremely anti-racist. I think tolerance and diversity could make us "Great" Britain again. If a sikh came to my funeral and didn't want to take his turban off, I wouldn't be offended.
Fingerprint I cannot believe that your friend struggles to find employment because of her name, that seems insane to me. I live in the west country and we have a very small ethnic minority here. Its not usual to see Asians here and you never ever here of racist attacks in our town. I used to visit my exs family in Birmingham and they were all BNP voters, and hated anyone who wasn't white. When I used to voice my concerns about they way they talked, especially to my partners brother (as I am sure he was out with groups of other skinheads beating Asians up for no other reason than the colour of their skin) I would get told you don't know what its like to live round them, you would think the same too. I just thought no I wouldn't cause I'm not an idiot.
The Immigration postings wind me up as the ones I have seen often haven't contained a line like, I don't mind people coming here if they are trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, or are genuinely seeking asylum. It all seems to be very anti-muslim. I find it insane that we call ourselves a Christian country when I know more practicing Muslims than I do Christians and "they" are the minority.
I am quite proud of our country as a whole and think, in general, most people are extremely anti-racist. I think tolerance and diversity could make us "Great" Britain again. If a sikh came to my funeral and didn't want to take his turban off, I wouldn't be offended.
Just flying in to point out that Floella Benjamin is married to a er... white man; TV producer Keith Taylor.
Can't believe so many people think poor AoG is a racist. However could they possibly reach such a conclusion merely from reading his well-argued and researched and always balanced posts about non-white people? It's simply beyond me.
Can't believe so many people think poor AoG is a racist. However could they possibly reach such a conclusion merely from reading his well-argued and researched and always balanced posts about non-white people? It's simply beyond me.
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