Luis Rubiales Resigns As President Of Spanish Fa Over Jenni Hermoso Kiss

[johnny.5]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66637879

[naomi24]

I wonder how many women here would be happy to ruin a man's life for what I would deem to be no more than a brief 'smacker' planted spontaneously out of sheer exuberance?

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - The official 'ruined' his own life by not acknowledging his inappropriate behaviour properly, and then compounding it with arrogance and avoiding his responsibility for the situation.

He is the architect of his own situation, he was at the time, and he is now.

[naomi24]

AH, I disagree. Most women, I would argue, have been on the receiving end of uninvited attentions, they know the difference between intent and spontaneous exuberance, and most have the common sense to know how to react to each. Men who hold the opinions you hold about things like this make me glad that, in today's world, I'm not a man. I genuinely feel sorry for them.

[ichkeria]

Andy at 8.56 is 100 per cent correct.
“Sorry I don’t know what I was thinking” would have done the trick.
And then any subsequent fuss could conveniently have been laid at someone’s door.
By not doing that he allowed the whole thing to be blown up into a ridiculous fuss.

[ClareTG0ld]

Yeah, it's the women who are the recipients of unwanted sexual attention on national TV, while in a vulnerable position that reduces their ability to respond the way they'd wish, who are the real criminals here.

Rubiales not apologising is only one of the problems here -- it was also his cynical and disgusting attempt to throw Hermoso under the bus, accuse her of lying, etc etc. Defending him, as some here are doing, is a gross miscalculation.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - I know from long history that you have a robust sense of self awareness, and you would have shrugged off the incident had it happened to you.

But I believe any and all women have a right to call out boorish and inappropriate behaviour by men in public, and simply feel obliged to shrug it off because 'that is how men are sometimes'.

That attitude is never going to encourage men to behave properly and with respect.

The incident would not have upset and embarrassed you, but it did the lady in question. And she has a right not to simply brush it off because others see it as trivial.

[ichkeria]

He’s the boss. The guy in charge.
Or he was :-)
He refused to “own” a situation.
Even if much of the subsequent hoo-ha was caused by others.
All this stuff about “consent” just made things ten times worse.

[andy-hughes]

Ich and clare - I cross-posted with both of you. And I agree, trying to make the offended party the culprit is what kept this story going.

The gentleman's arrogance and unwillingness to own his inappropriate behaviour is the cause of his ignominy, he has only himself to blame.

[douglas9401]

While you're on your flights of fancy just imagine if he hadn't been over excited.

Is he not passionate enough about our team?
Is he homophobic?

[naomi24]

AH, I know what you believe, You've already said.

[andy-hughes]

Douglas - Not sure where the 'flight of fancy' is - and I don't understand the point you are making.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // AH, I know what you believe, You've already said. //

Although my post is addressed to you, it is posted in the belief that others apart from you will read it, and may not have been aware of my position from previous exchanges between us.

History shows that this is a reasonable assumption, otherwise the entire site would consist of an OP and then an exchange between the poster and the first person who replies.

[Vagus]

If any man apart from my husband gave me a kiss on the lips the way he did, I too would have called him out.
He comes across as an arrogant alpha male type person and needs to know behaviour like that is no longer tolerated.

[douglas9401]

'You're' aimed at tout-le-monde, not a particular person.

It bears repeating that it's not all about andy and his dogged determination.

[ToraToraTora]

11:03, why did she accept the kiss then and complain later? She could have just turned her head and he'd have kissed her lug hole. I know the answer by the way. She, like him got caught up in the exuberance of the occasion. Only later decided to make a song and dance about it.

[douglas9401]

In flamenco delicto.

[bazwillrun]

You should see the videos of her laughing and joking about it on the team bus...didnt seem too bothered then, far from it...the woke left strike again...

[andy-hughes]

Baz - If the lady is on the team bus, she is probably speaking Spanish with her team - how do you know she is laughing and joking specifically about the incident?

[bazwillrun]

^

because there was a translation /subtitles of the audio... !...and i can speak some Spanish...thats how

[Moorea7]

jenni hermosa