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Without a single shadow of a doubt, easily the best PM ever. The way she turned this country around was utterly masterful, and we will forever be in her debt for doing so. She was brilliant.
22:12 Sat 08th Apr 2023
//@21.19.A fantasist,NJ?Really?I just pointed out that the SNP voted alongside the Tories in the 1979 no-confidence vote.Are you disputing that fact or am i just fantasizing that fact?//
I’m not disputing that fact at all. It is a matter of public record and I have confirmed you are correct. What I am disputing are some of the other contentions you made. In particular, this:
//She [Mrs Thatcher] was enabled into power by the SNP back in 1979.//
She very clearly was not. At best, the SNP (or the Lib Dems or the DUP, who also voted with the Opposition in the vote of No Confidence) hastened her elevation to office by about six months. But she would have assumed power in the following October anyway, so your argument is irrelevant. Because you keep repeating it does not make it a fact.
//That Thatcherism is/was basically a SNP construction?//
This is utter nonsense. Mrs Thatcher would have pursued her policies (aka “Thatcherism”) whether or not the SNP voted with the opposition in the VonC or even if the SNP had not existed at all. I really don’t know how you come to the conclusion that Thatcherism was constructed by the SNP.
//The way she turned this country around was utterly masterful, and we will forever be in her debt for doing so.//
//Aided and abetted by the numpties in the SNP,//
You may not have liked the way she did it, but there is no doubt that Mrs Thatcher restored this country’s financial stability, restored order where there was chaos and restored the self esteem of the country and of many people within it. With an overall majority of 44 in her first term, 144 in her second and 102 in her third, she had no need of support from the SNP (which is just as well since they secured just 2, 2 and 3 seats in the three General Elections where Mrs Thatcher was triumphant).
I appreciate you despise the SNP and blame them for all sorts of things. But they did not enable Mrs T into power, did not construct Thatcherism and did not swing the result of the referendum. You really need to brush up on the facts before spouting such nonsense.
I’m not disputing that fact at all. It is a matter of public record and I have confirmed you are correct. What I am disputing are some of the other contentions you made. In particular, this:
//She [Mrs Thatcher] was enabled into power by the SNP back in 1979.//
She very clearly was not. At best, the SNP (or the Lib Dems or the DUP, who also voted with the Opposition in the vote of No Confidence) hastened her elevation to office by about six months. But she would have assumed power in the following October anyway, so your argument is irrelevant. Because you keep repeating it does not make it a fact.
//That Thatcherism is/was basically a SNP construction?//
This is utter nonsense. Mrs Thatcher would have pursued her policies (aka “Thatcherism”) whether or not the SNP voted with the opposition in the VonC or even if the SNP had not existed at all. I really don’t know how you come to the conclusion that Thatcherism was constructed by the SNP.
//The way she turned this country around was utterly masterful, and we will forever be in her debt for doing so.//
//Aided and abetted by the numpties in the SNP,//
You may not have liked the way she did it, but there is no doubt that Mrs Thatcher restored this country’s financial stability, restored order where there was chaos and restored the self esteem of the country and of many people within it. With an overall majority of 44 in her first term, 144 in her second and 102 in her third, she had no need of support from the SNP (which is just as well since they secured just 2, 2 and 3 seats in the three General Elections where Mrs Thatcher was triumphant).
I appreciate you despise the SNP and blame them for all sorts of things. But they did not enable Mrs T into power, did not construct Thatcherism and did not swing the result of the referendum. You really need to brush up on the facts before spouting such nonsense.
//Looks like you are saying that the SNP MPs didnt vote alongside Thatcher in the no-confidence vote in 1979,NJ?I always had it down that they voted alongside the Tories.Are you trying to rewrite history?//
Am I living in some sort of alternative universe? One where what I said is either mistakenly or (more likely) deliberately completely misinterpreted? Here’s your question (asked for the umpteenth time) and my reply:
Your question: //I just pointed out that the SNP voted alongside the Tories in the 1979 no-confidence vote.Are you disputing that fact or am i just fantasizing that fact?//
My reply: //I’m not disputing that fact at all. It is a matter of public record and I have confirmed you are correct.//
So, to be absolutely clear: the SNP did vote alongside the Opposition (the Tories, The LibDems and the DUP) in the vote of No Confidence. BUT, that vote did not enable Mrs Thatcher into power. It may have hastened it by six months at best. Thatcherism was not an SNP construction. It would have come about even if the SNP had not existed at that time.
Unless you have anything to counter any of that, can we put this to bed?????
Am I living in some sort of alternative universe? One where what I said is either mistakenly or (more likely) deliberately completely misinterpreted? Here’s your question (asked for the umpteenth time) and my reply:
Your question: //I just pointed out that the SNP voted alongside the Tories in the 1979 no-confidence vote.Are you disputing that fact or am i just fantasizing that fact?//
My reply: //I’m not disputing that fact at all. It is a matter of public record and I have confirmed you are correct.//
So, to be absolutely clear: the SNP did vote alongside the Opposition (the Tories, The LibDems and the DUP) in the vote of No Confidence. BUT, that vote did not enable Mrs Thatcher into power. It may have hastened it by six months at best. Thatcherism was not an SNP construction. It would have come about even if the SNP had not existed at that time.
Unless you have anything to counter any of that, can we put this to bed?????
I'll say it again - Thatcher was a despotic tyrant who made it possible for all her husbands cronies to gain massively from the break up of industrial Britain. She did more harm to the industrial base of this country than all the German bombs of WW2.
One legacy she left is the current housing shortage. Home ownership for council tennants, who later sold the houses to landlords, who turned them into HMOs' which are now no different than Victorian slums.
Privatisation is another reason for the COL crisis. Thank her for that as well.
Frederick Forsyth? Oh yes, that successful fiction writer who created great stories. :o)
One legacy she left is the current housing shortage. Home ownership for council tennants, who later sold the houses to landlords, who turned them into HMOs' which are now no different than Victorian slums.
Privatisation is another reason for the COL crisis. Thank her for that as well.
Frederick Forsyth? Oh yes, that successful fiction writer who created great stories. :o)
@07.53.Seems a bit harsh,dave.However i agree with every word you [email protected] of this enabled by the SNP back in 1979,10CS.
//All you needed to say was"yes,the SNP did collude with Thatcher to put Thatcher into power".Everything else you wrote was superfluous.//
I said just that and little else (other than to explain it was not solely the SNP MPs who had voted with the Opposition) in my first response to your question at 18:49 last Saturday. That said, I didn't mention "collusion". The SNP at that time were part of the Opposition. It is the Opposition's job to oppose and voting against the government is not "collusion".
But there is a need to expand as you continue to assert that the SNP put Mrs Thatcher into power and that Thatcherism was a construct of the SNP. Looking at that together with your original question it leads me to believe that suggest that without the support of the SNP in that vote, Mrs Thatcher would never have become Prime Minister. I quote:
"She was enabled into power by the SNP back in 1979.I wonder if any of the SNPers on here now regret their choice?"
So I repeat, all the SNP did (together with the LibDems and the DUP) was to bring forward Mrs Thatcher's elevation by about six months. If there is anything for the SNPers to regret, it can only be that and nothing more.
I said just that and little else (other than to explain it was not solely the SNP MPs who had voted with the Opposition) in my first response to your question at 18:49 last Saturday. That said, I didn't mention "collusion". The SNP at that time were part of the Opposition. It is the Opposition's job to oppose and voting against the government is not "collusion".
But there is a need to expand as you continue to assert that the SNP put Mrs Thatcher into power and that Thatcherism was a construct of the SNP. Looking at that together with your original question it leads me to believe that suggest that without the support of the SNP in that vote, Mrs Thatcher would never have become Prime Minister. I quote:
"She was enabled into power by the SNP back in 1979.I wonder if any of the SNPers on here now regret their choice?"
So I repeat, all the SNP did (together with the LibDems and the DUP) was to bring forward Mrs Thatcher's elevation by about six months. If there is anything for the SNPers to regret, it can only be that and nothing more.
//All of this enabled by the SNP back in 1979,10CS.//
Why do you keep insisting on this, when it would have happened with or without the SNP? Or do you believe that if Mr Callaghan had won the VonC, he would have gone on to win a General Election in the following October and Mrs Thatcher would never have come to office?
Why do you keep insisting on this, when it would have happened with or without the SNP? Or do you believe that if Mr Callaghan had won the VonC, he would have gone on to win a General Election in the following October and Mrs Thatcher would never have come to office?
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