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Palace Racism
Ngozi Fulani was asked where she was originally from mmm, whats the problem there
it's not what or was considered a british christian name, i assume the palace get people from around the globe visiting, so why the big hoo haa.
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it's not what or was considered a british christian name, i assume the palace get people from around the globe visiting, so why the big hoo haa.
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I think that the lady was asking where her family originated from. I think that is a genuine question, maybe not the time nor the place but it is hardly a major issue.
18:51 Wed 30th Nov 2022
// AH, indeed there is only one conclusion that Ms Fulani jumped to - that Lady Hussey was racist. She has now acknowledged she was wrong - and all credit to her because it’s more than you’re wiling to do. //
I don't think Ms Fulani 'jumped' to any 'conclusions', I think she new when someone was being rude to her, and she has graciously accepted the apology offered for it.
It's interesting to note that you, one of Ms Fulani's most vociferous critics for the duration of this discussion, suddenly find hitherto undiscovered positive points in her character - but only so you can use them to have a dig at me with!
I don't think Ms Fulani 'jumped' to any 'conclusions', I think she new when someone was being rude to her, and she has graciously accepted the apology offered for it.
It's interesting to note that you, one of Ms Fulani's most vociferous critics for the duration of this discussion, suddenly find hitherto undiscovered positive points in her character - but only so you can use them to have a dig at me with!
It seems that some do not understand what racism is.
Lady Susan apologised and stepped down from her role. That is an admission that she made mistakes in what she said. Apparently, we all now agree on what she said, although we can't all see the mistakes!
Ngozi Fulani accepts that the comments were made without malice. I think she probably accepted that all along, but this further meeting has cleared it up. There was no harm intended, no malice, and Lady Susan is a sweet old dear no doubt. That doesn't mean that what she said wasn't racist, only that she didn't understand that she was going too far.
"Oi, what banana boat did you just fall off?" Racist? How about "Hackney? No, where in Africa are you really from?"
Reader, you decide. I think it's pretty obvious that both are racist, from an objective standpoint, and both on the same spectrum of questioning. It doesn't really matter whether Lady Susan meant to be racist. What matters is that she was representing the Palace, saying things that she really ought not to have been saying.
Lady Susan apologised and stepped down from her role. That is an admission that she made mistakes in what she said. Apparently, we all now agree on what she said, although we can't all see the mistakes!
Ngozi Fulani accepts that the comments were made without malice. I think she probably accepted that all along, but this further meeting has cleared it up. There was no harm intended, no malice, and Lady Susan is a sweet old dear no doubt. That doesn't mean that what she said wasn't racist, only that she didn't understand that she was going too far.
"Oi, what banana boat did you just fall off?" Racist? How about "Hackney? No, where in Africa are you really from?"
Reader, you decide. I think it's pretty obvious that both are racist, from an objective standpoint, and both on the same spectrum of questioning. It doesn't really matter whether Lady Susan meant to be racist. What matters is that she was representing the Palace, saying things that she really ought not to have been saying.
// I'm not the barometer of opinion...(cut)...no need to single me out for special attention//
Your vociferousness throughout this thread is to be applauded.
Not least for the feedback it has engendered amongst OPs.
Such has been your input, palpable is the impassioned responses you have manage to elicit from OPs.
Surely then, (as we get ever closer to 1000 posts) as a professional writer, this would be your raison d'étre.
Of special note and largely down to you is the rise and falls in emotive mercury levels, of the readership which have participated on this board.
It is for this reason, I had chosen you to be my barometer.
Sadly, we are not quite on the same page when it comes to LadySH.
Your vociferousness throughout this thread is to be applauded.
Not least for the feedback it has engendered amongst OPs.
Such has been your input, palpable is the impassioned responses you have manage to elicit from OPs.
Surely then, (as we get ever closer to 1000 posts) as a professional writer, this would be your raison d'étre.
Of special note and largely down to you is the rise and falls in emotive mercury levels, of the readership which have participated on this board.
It is for this reason, I had chosen you to be my barometer.
Sadly, we are not quite on the same page when it comes to LadySH.
roy //” Fulani accepted the apology and said “that no malice was intended.”//
//What have the ABers linking racism to Lady Susan's comments have to say about that?//
Anne Sacoolas meant no malicious intent when she mowed down Harry Dunn on his motorcycle.
The fact is, when carelessness or an accidental act, results in someone being hurt, there are penalties to be paid.
Let's get one thing straight.
LadySH did not go out to insult Ms Fulani!
Unfortunately, instead of walking away from the exchange in its early stages, the former LiW was to dig herself into a deeper hole.
Sadly, this was to culminate in a racist insult!
//What have the ABers linking racism to Lady Susan's comments have to say about that?//
Anne Sacoolas meant no malicious intent when she mowed down Harry Dunn on his motorcycle.
The fact is, when carelessness or an accidental act, results in someone being hurt, there are penalties to be paid.
Let's get one thing straight.
LadySH did not go out to insult Ms Fulani!
Unfortunately, instead of walking away from the exchange in its early stages, the former LiW was to dig herself into a deeper hole.
Sadly, this was to culminate in a racist insult!
CoolBritannia - // "No, where in Africa are you really from?"
But how does that amount to racism in accordance wit the definition of racism (and not the leftwing emotionally sensitive definition)? //
My perspective on Lady Hussey's conversation has always been that is is rude, which it was, clearly disbelieving Ms Fulani's answer that she was British - the implication being that if you are black, you cannot be British - but as advised, because racism was not intended does not mean that it was not the result of what she said.
I have always used the same illustration that Zebu has offered - that because you don't intend harm to a stranger you run over with your car, does not mean that harm is not sustained.
It has always been an indefensible argument used by any number of people in society, that if offence / damage was not intentionally inflicted, it means that the damage done is not real, but a direct result of the over-sensitivity of the recipient.
That adds insult to injury - no pun intended - by victim the architect of their own misfortune.
This argument is usually followed up by a similar ignorance and respect for other people, in that the victim should automatically see the world as the justifier does - grow a pair / get a sense of humour, and so on and so on.
I do not believe in damage was intended, but that is not the same as saying no damage was done.
But how does that amount to racism in accordance wit the definition of racism (and not the leftwing emotionally sensitive definition)? //
My perspective on Lady Hussey's conversation has always been that is is rude, which it was, clearly disbelieving Ms Fulani's answer that she was British - the implication being that if you are black, you cannot be British - but as advised, because racism was not intended does not mean that it was not the result of what she said.
I have always used the same illustration that Zebu has offered - that because you don't intend harm to a stranger you run over with your car, does not mean that harm is not sustained.
It has always been an indefensible argument used by any number of people in society, that if offence / damage was not intentionally inflicted, it means that the damage done is not real, but a direct result of the over-sensitivity of the recipient.
That adds insult to injury - no pun intended - by victim the architect of their own misfortune.
This argument is usually followed up by a similar ignorance and respect for other people, in that the victim should automatically see the world as the justifier does - grow a pair / get a sense of humour, and so on and so on.
I do not believe in damage was intended, but that is not the same as saying no damage was done.
CoolBritannia - // OK, I get you but does it amount to racism? A very serious allegation. //
This is the question, and it has not simple answer.
The major thrust of the defence arguments for Lady Hussey has always been that she is an old lady, never been in trouble before, came up against a person with an agenda looking for offence where none was intended etc. etc.
But as I pointed out in my previous post, absence of intention to do damage does not automatically mean that damage has not been done.
The second line of defence was that Ms Fulani more or less deserved what she got by dressing in an attention-seeking fashion, and deliberately seeking to be offended by 'harmless' conversation.
As I recall, I don't believe Ms Fulani herself actually raised an accusation of racism, it was the palace spokesperson who used the term, followed by Prince William's statement confirming that racism has no place in a modern society.
But as is the way, again with human nature, people choose to view from the perspective that suits their view of the world, and we all do that, because that is what makes us human.
This is the question, and it has not simple answer.
The major thrust of the defence arguments for Lady Hussey has always been that she is an old lady, never been in trouble before, came up against a person with an agenda looking for offence where none was intended etc. etc.
But as I pointed out in my previous post, absence of intention to do damage does not automatically mean that damage has not been done.
The second line of defence was that Ms Fulani more or less deserved what she got by dressing in an attention-seeking fashion, and deliberately seeking to be offended by 'harmless' conversation.
As I recall, I don't believe Ms Fulani herself actually raised an accusation of racism, it was the palace spokesperson who used the term, followed by Prince William's statement confirming that racism has no place in a modern society.
But as is the way, again with human nature, people choose to view from the perspective that suits their view of the world, and we all do that, because that is what makes us human.
I'll just quote Jim from page 3, posted back in November ...
It's hard to think of something more obviously racist than asking somebody where they are from and, upon hearing their answer, telling them that you do not believe them. And then reaching this judgement based on their skin colour. And then basically interrogating and speaking over them when they give you the same answer multiple times. And then fiddling uninvited with their hair. And then referring to "your people" as if they are somehow a separate race.
And, of course, not doing this when speaking to somebody who is white. If you're interacting with people differently based entirely on the colour of their skin... I mean, how else do you define racism?
It's hard to think of something more obviously racist than asking somebody where they are from and, upon hearing their answer, telling them that you do not believe them. And then reaching this judgement based on their skin colour. And then basically interrogating and speaking over them when they give you the same answer multiple times. And then fiddling uninvited with their hair. And then referring to "your people" as if they are somehow a separate race.
And, of course, not doing this when speaking to somebody who is white. If you're interacting with people differently based entirely on the colour of their skin... I mean, how else do you define racism?
Was this really a sweet moment?
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