The Donald Is Back!

[Khandro]

Great speech, straight from the heart, no baloney, & no autocue. Sleepy Joe, be afraid.

https://news.sky.com/video/donald-trump-former-us-president-gives-his-first-speech-in-washington-dc-since-leaving-office-12659735

[tomus42]

JDavis, people who still support Trump after all that's happened are essentially cult members. They cannot be reasoned with, but well done for having a go.

[JDavis]

Oh yes. Togo's BA. I wonder who chose that. The only best interests Trump has at heart are his own. Google his niece, Mary, who is a clinical psychologist. She probably knows him better than you or Togo.

And, of course, it's proof that he tried to fix the election. As Andy Dufresne said to the Warden, 'How can you be so obtuse?

[JDavis]

Cheers, tomus, you're right of course.

[naomi24]

Tomus, cult members? That sounds for all the world like a potty conspiracy theory. And you think Trump supporters are weird? :o))

[Ellipsis]

> They certainly acted independently of Trump, because he wasn't there, & this enquiry will never be able to prove his personal culpability for what the mob did.

Of course it will, if he has any.

Americans are [surely] not going to accept an attack upon their seat of government and let it go as if nothing happened. Footsoldiers and generals ... so far only individual footsoldiers have been prosecuted, but they were organised somehow and the evidence for that organisation is still being gathered. If Trump had a role in rallying the mob, it needs to be shown and dealt with in law.

And to a casual outside observer like me, it seems pretty obvious that he had a role in rallying the mob. You only have to look at everything he said, and everything the mob was carrying ... but let's see what their legal process decides.

[Untitled]

Khandro

Trump told them to go to Congress and "fight like hell"... when he saw what was happening on TV he didn't do anything even though he was sitting and watching it...

when he did eventually give a speech about the attack he himself crossed out a line in his speech which said that the mob did not represent him or his movement... these are facts.

It's quite obvious he was happy with what they were doing. If you don't think that the 2020 election was stolen by the democrats as you claim, why are you supporting him when he attempted to overturn it by force?

[Khandro]

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," he said.

His defense lawyers, however, point to a different passage, in which Trump said, "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." They argue that his words were not a call for actual violence and lawlessness.

[Khandro]

If you must quote, at least quote accurately

[Untitled]

it's quite obvious what he meant khandro... I know he used the words "peacefully" as a get-out but the crowd was armed with assault rifles (and he knew they were)... many of them were members of extremist militias (and he knew)... and they were carrying a noose... how deluded do you have to be?

if he did not feel they represented him why did he edit his speech to remove a line saying they did not represent him or his movement? He didn't want to say it... because he approved of their loyalty to him.

[FatticusInch]

So you believe he was right to advocate the use of violence against his own Vice-President?

If you do then you are definitely certifiable.

[naomi24]

Untitled, I don’t know what he ‘knew’ - so how do you?

[Untitled]

khandro.... be honest.

do you actually believe what you are writing or do you actually just like donald trump's politics (whatever they may be) and not particularly care about his involvement in jan 6th? because you have a very dismissive attitude toward it and if you believe what you are writing then you are very misinformed... but if the truth is that you actually don't care then I won't try to reason with you....

[Untitled]

because he said so naomi

[naomi24]

When?

[Untitled]

Cassidy Hutchinson testified that she heard him talking about people armed with heavy weapons at his rally... he told the security services to let them in... this would have been immediately prior to his speech on the morning of Jan 6th.

Days before that other witnesses have also confirmed that the white house were well aware of the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers etc. ... one of them was Giuliani, who was very personally close to Trump. He can't possibly not have known about those groups and their plans to attend. He also knew who the Proud Boys were because he was asked about them during the election.

[FatticusInch]

Seems I was right about the undying love and admiration for narcissistic blondes, I just had no idea it was to such a rabid depth.

[naomi24]

He asked about them because they were mentioned and he didn’t know who they were! But never mind. You stay on the bandwagon.

[Untitled]

but that was months before jan 6th naomi... so he obviously knew who they were by then.

It's also been proven that Roger Stone and Michael Flynn acted as middle-men between Trump and the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers beofre Jan 6th... do you really think he had no idea who they were?

[naomi24]

What I really think and what I’ve always thought is that small-minded people love witch hunts and in their efforts to utterly destroy certain figures they leave no stone unturned - and what they can’t find they make up. Despicable.

[Untitled]

then you'll just believe whatever you want to believe naomi.