Wales Leading The Way?

[Buenchico]

I'm in favour of it but I suspect that not all AB members will be!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62020427

[Gromit]

// Please show me where cyclists travelling at 30 mph and above is the norm? //

I did not say it was the norm. But it is certainly is possible. A fit regular cyclist can easily do more than 20mph. I have done it in the past.

[douglas9401]

The only time cyclists go slow is when they can hold up motorists, otherwise fury abounds.

[FatticusInch]

Still waiting for evidence of cyclists regularly(if ever) overtaking cars at 30 mph in an urban/city environment ……?
Anyone??

[douglas9401]

Careful now, you're channeling your inner Tora.

[ToraToraTora]

fatti: "Complain about it all you like ToraToraTora, unless you live in Wales I don’t understand your beef with it. " - remarkable that it must seem to someone with your outlook, I actually care about the whole UK and I am saddened that a few idiots in the Welsh devolved talking shop think this is needed. I feel for the people that will be subjected to it. It's an ill thought out idea from people that are clueless about the effects it will have, ironically on their beloved green arena. Also I think that it the sort of thing that highlights devolution as a disaster, all it does is foster wacky ideas like this and nationalism in the extremists, just look at what's happening to Scotland.

[FatticusInch]

Ok Gromit, as you’ve moved the goalposts show me a handful or even one instance of a cyclist attaining more than 30 mph and overtaking a motorist in a 30 mph zone.

You gave the assertion that it’s a regular occurrence.
I’m guessing the reason for the legislation is hardly(if at all) aimed at cyclists, it’s aimed at motorists but as usual the anti-cycling fraternity have a go at cyclists, not the motorists who injure and kill regularly.

[FatticusInch]

douglas9401
//Careful now, you're channeling your inner Tora.//

Lol, you mean by challenging Gromit’s wildly inaccurate and misleading assertion?

[Gromit]

Fatti,
You are reading stuff that isn’t there.
// You gave the assertion that it’s a regular occurrence.//

I did not. I was answering the criticism in the link that cyclists were overtaking cars in the trial areas.
// "Cyclists are having a whale of a time on Liverpool Road because they can do more than 20mph on their bikes and we can't do more than 20mph in a car - so I've had quite a lot of reports of people being overtaken by cycles." //

I assume you did read past the headline ?

[FatticusInch]

Lol, so absolutely no proof that cyclists overtake motorists at more than 30 mph as you’d claimed?
Thanks for the confirmation.

[jno]

20mph all around where I live, has been for years.

[Gromit]

Fatti,
I didn’t claim it, the link did ?
Come back when you have learned to read.

[New Judge]

//…the word 'restricted' gives me the impression that those major roads are not included.//

A "restricted" road is any road which has a system of street lighting, with lights placed no more than 200 yards apart. There is a slight deviation from that definition for "trunk" or "classified" roads which had lighting installed after 1957, but in general that's it.

The default speed limit on such roads is 30mph and no repeater signs are required for its enforcement (the street lighting denoting the restriction). Local Authorities have the power to alter the default speed limit (either up or down) by means of a Traffic Regulation Order. If they do, the new limit must be correctly signed. This does not apply to motorways.

I'm sure they've thought about it, but I'm not too sure how the Welsh Assembly are going to impose this. Restricted roads and the speed limits on them are defined by a UK Act of Parliament. I don't believe it will be good enough for the Welsh Assembly to simply say that in Wales, substitute 20 mph for 30mph in that legislation. As well as that, roads subject to a 20mph limit or those designated 20mph zones (the two are different) have to have signage (for 20mph limits) or a system of traffic calming (for 20mph zones).

[Gromit]

NJ
Many of us on this thread already have 20mph zones in our towns.
It is not difficult for the local council to implement.

[barry1010]

When I was last on the Isle of Bute some years ago many roads were restricted to 20mph, with the slogan ‘20s plenty’.
Since then I have noticed more and more areas having a 20 limit in small areas such as near schools. I don’t object to it

[New Judge]

//It is not difficult for the local council to implement.//

No it's not. But each area must be covered by a TRO and the appropriate signage/traffic calming measures installed. Every 20mph road must be covered by one or the other. When it comes to imposing a lower limit on all restricted roads in an area the size of Wales it may not be so straightforward unless they claim a modification to the UK legislation which defines "restricted roads."

[Gromit]

Wales is very rural with a low population.
Portsmouth converted 1200 streets to 20mph for just over £500,000 .

[douglas9401]

I'd have done the job for half of that.

[youngmafbog]

Wales has got some significant towns & City, to do what is being proposed will be many more than 1200 roads.

It will be very costly. But then as the left know, its easy to spend other peoples money.

[douglas9401]

"But then as the left know, its easy to spend other peoples money."

The left have been paying attention to the right in matters spendy.

[Canary42]

/// as the left know, its easy to spend other people's money.///

Yes we do know that, we saw Boris channelling millions of taxpayer's money to his rich cronies for ineffectual PPI.