Looks Like The Abacus Is Up To Her Old Tricks.......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1500636/diane-abbott-news-labour-keir-starmer-promises-shut-down
...TBF if MAABOF woman is attacking you then you are doing something right, nice move Rodders.

[ToraToraTora]

ich: "Diane Abbott is hidebound by ideology. You can be intelligent in a certain way (I always think of the holocause denier David Irvine). " - a Holocaust denier cannot possibly be intelligent.

[ichkeria]

But that’s the thing:
Irving/Irvine is an Oxbridge history graduate.
It makes him all the more dangerous of course

[ToraToraTora]

you don't need intelligence to learn things.

[Deskdiary]

Cobstello.

Nice one.

[Peter Pedant]

give em hell Grom grom
the anti-fa branch of AB will recycle anything

[Peter Pedant]

// Irving/Irvine is an Oxbridge history graduate.//
erm only one good book which was on the German nuclear effort (*)
( it was a non starter: heavy water and all that)
but the allies only knew in May 1945.

The Virus House - pdf available on the internet. The Americans did a Trent Park to the German nuclear scientists, and transcribed their conversations of those that hadnt been shot by the Russians. 10 Aug 1945 Heisenberg organised a ( recorded ) tutorial to his team ( in der slammer) telling them how the allies had done it - which rather implied that the Germans had got nowhere

and I think this is where the phrase - "and so you see we really are second class scientists" came up

yeah yeah emmie I am trying to keep it tight

[Peter Pedant]

I dont know what Irving read at Oxbridge - his ability to assess historical docs was / is nil. Example: showers did nt have gas seals and the germans didnt wear gas masks ergo they werent gas chambers

er sorry they wore gas masks....his research really was that bad

[ichkeria]

Actually I don't know where I got the idea that Irving was at Cambridge (as I recall reading). Wikipedia points out he was at Imperial and UCL but did not complete the course at either.
Still an intelligent person of course.
You do not have to be dumb to deny the holocaust, just twisted.

[ToraToraTora]

ich: "You do not have to be dumb to deny the holocaust, just twisted" - well it depends if you are just denying it for ulterior motive, ie selling stuff to morons. If you know privately that it happened but pretend it didn't that's slightly different. A bit like religious leaders using religion to control the masses.

[andy-hughes]

Trying to make capital out of Ms Abbot riding in a Sun-liveried Black cab is really reaching.

How many people who regularly ride in London taxis notice their paint jobs?

Heaven knows there are endless ways to have a pop at Ms Abbot, without this pointless piffle.

[naomi24]

The OP isn’t about her riding in a taxi.

[Zacs-Master]

'How many people who regularly ride in London taxis notice their paint jobs?'

Very few of them are politicians. Maybe they should be careful in case such a faux pas comes back to bite them on the bum.

[ToraToraTora]

Ah: "Trying to make capital out of Ms Abbot riding in a Sun-liveried Black cab is really reaching. " - who's doing that? Can't find any mention of a black cab.

[naomi24]

He’s lost me too, TTT.

[ichkeria]

It's hard to know what Irving's motivation is/was.
I know he was secretly filmed at a right wing meeting once making outrageously racist statements.

[andy-hughes]

Ttt, your link refers to journalist Benjamin Butterworth posting an image of DA riding in a Sun-liveried cab.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - I refer you back to the link as well.

[ToraToraTora]

well buried in there perhaps but the whole point is obviously not that. It's about Abacus attacking Starmer for not being left wing enough and supporting Nato, I never even noticed that bit.

[Zacs-Master]

Pretty sure TTT knows that, Andy, especially as it's pretty pivotal to the article
Ms Abbott wrote: “During Labour leadership campaign Keir Starmer said he wouldn’t speak to the Sun......"

[Mozz71]

October 4th 2021.

It's almost as if someone's digging up old news stories in order to deflect from the shower of *** running the country at the moment.