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Wear A Mask To Save Christmas - Will You?
Sajid Javid says to get booster, wear a mask and meet outdoors to prevent Christmas restrictions.
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//But what does " living with the virus" mean?
It means:
the mandatory wearing of masks.
the strict compliance of social distancing.
the vaccination of the population.
working at home wherever possible.
That's what living with the virus means.//
No no no no no, sqad! Living with it involves behaving normally. Wearing masks and shying away from people is not behaving normally. In the winter of 2017 “ordinary” ‘flu claimed 50,000 lives in the UK in the space of three or four months. Nobody batted an eyelid. No questions in Parliament; no face coverings; no “social distancing;” no businesses forcibly closed. That’s what living with a virus means.
//Its an excuse for what sort of thing?//
It’s a perfect opportunity to exercise control by instilling fear into a population to make them compliant to any instructions the government sees fit to issue. No need to go into too much detail about the efficacy of face coverings when worn by untrained and undisciplined people in the wider community. Sufficient to say that the WHO’s stance on the issue was neutral at the start of the pandemic and in December 2020 it changed its advice to what could be described, at best, as ambivalent. This ambivalence is accompanied by lengthy advice on the techniques to be employed and the precautions that need to be taken (which scarcely anybody adheres to) if more harm than good is to be prevented.
However, all that is by the way. The disease is now endemic in this country and is likely to remain so for decades to come. It is one of the many virus-based respiratory diseases with which we have to cope. However, the current strategy to cope with this particular outbreak is to continually threaten to curtail or withdraw the population’s liberties, using that as a tool to regulate demand on the NHS. It is said to be necessary to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. Well here’s some news – the NHS is already overwhelmed. It has been overwhelmed for as long as I can remember. Before the pandemic patients were waiting months and years for routine treatment. A&E departments were regularly overrun. Now, having endured a period of 18 months or more where those treatments were largely sacrificed on the altar that is Covid, the situation is immeasurably worse. This is not due to Covid; it is because the NHS Is not fit for purpose. The NHS is overwhelmed all the time, but simply not by Covid as it’s been decreed that this will not be allowed to happen (and bad luck if you suffer from anything else). And don’t even think of starting me off on the GP “Primary Healthcare Service” (my inverted commas).
There is now no legal requirement to wear face coverings in England and the measure was almost impossible to legally enforce anyway. So, “wear a mask to save Christmas”? Not a chance because doing so will not save much at all, least of all Christmas, which doesn’t need saving anyway.
It means:
the mandatory wearing of masks.
the strict compliance of social distancing.
the vaccination of the population.
working at home wherever possible.
That's what living with the virus means.//
No no no no no, sqad! Living with it involves behaving normally. Wearing masks and shying away from people is not behaving normally. In the winter of 2017 “ordinary” ‘flu claimed 50,000 lives in the UK in the space of three or four months. Nobody batted an eyelid. No questions in Parliament; no face coverings; no “social distancing;” no businesses forcibly closed. That’s what living with a virus means.
//Its an excuse for what sort of thing?//
It’s a perfect opportunity to exercise control by instilling fear into a population to make them compliant to any instructions the government sees fit to issue. No need to go into too much detail about the efficacy of face coverings when worn by untrained and undisciplined people in the wider community. Sufficient to say that the WHO’s stance on the issue was neutral at the start of the pandemic and in December 2020 it changed its advice to what could be described, at best, as ambivalent. This ambivalence is accompanied by lengthy advice on the techniques to be employed and the precautions that need to be taken (which scarcely anybody adheres to) if more harm than good is to be prevented.
However, all that is by the way. The disease is now endemic in this country and is likely to remain so for decades to come. It is one of the many virus-based respiratory diseases with which we have to cope. However, the current strategy to cope with this particular outbreak is to continually threaten to curtail or withdraw the population’s liberties, using that as a tool to regulate demand on the NHS. It is said to be necessary to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. Well here’s some news – the NHS is already overwhelmed. It has been overwhelmed for as long as I can remember. Before the pandemic patients were waiting months and years for routine treatment. A&E departments were regularly overrun. Now, having endured a period of 18 months or more where those treatments were largely sacrificed on the altar that is Covid, the situation is immeasurably worse. This is not due to Covid; it is because the NHS Is not fit for purpose. The NHS is overwhelmed all the time, but simply not by Covid as it’s been decreed that this will not be allowed to happen (and bad luck if you suffer from anything else). And don’t even think of starting me off on the GP “Primary Healthcare Service” (my inverted commas).
There is now no legal requirement to wear face coverings in England and the measure was almost impossible to legally enforce anyway. So, “wear a mask to save Christmas”? Not a chance because doing so will not save much at all, least of all Christmas, which doesn’t need saving anyway.
//Our hospitality sector cannot afford another restricted Christmas, so just follow the advice - wear a mask, meet outdoors,...//
Before you sign of with your "end of", how is the hospitality sector to face an unrestricted Christmas if we're all to meet outside? Have you noticed the weather is beginning to turn (in spite of "global warming")?
Before you sign of with your "end of", how is the hospitality sector to face an unrestricted Christmas if we're all to meet outside? Have you noticed the weather is beginning to turn (in spite of "global warming")?
People refer to further restrictions or governments exercising control when it's simply doing things based on overwhelming advice from medical profession and simple minor changes such as wearing a mask in some places again and possibly needing proof of double jab status or negative tests for limited number of venues just as already happens to board a flight. Hardly an imposition. No plans to close pubs or resteraunts. Just do it and it'll be better for us all in the long run until most are fully jabbed including 12-18s, boosters are fully rolled out, flu season passes and these new medications may help
Sadly we are in for another rough ride
Leaving it up to the great British public to follow guidelines is a recipe for disaster
In the supermarket the other day I would guess that roughly only 30% of customers were wearing a mask and the vast majority of those looked to be over 50
Now we will all pay the price for idiots exercising civil liberties and inaction by the government despite advice from the BMA etc
Other countries clamp down properly(you cannot get a coffee outside a cafe in France without a Covid passports) but we leave it to common sense but it is anything but
We shall reap what we sow as usual
Leaving it up to the great British public to follow guidelines is a recipe for disaster
In the supermarket the other day I would guess that roughly only 30% of customers were wearing a mask and the vast majority of those looked to be over 50
Now we will all pay the price for idiots exercising civil liberties and inaction by the government despite advice from the BMA etc
Other countries clamp down properly(you cannot get a coffee outside a cafe in France without a Covid passports) but we leave it to common sense but it is anything but
We shall reap what we sow as usual
//In the supermarket the other day I would guess that roughly only 30% of customers were wearing a mask...//
As much as that? Did you ask any of them why they were doing so?
//Just do it and it'll be better for us all in the long run until most are fully jabbed...//
Strangely I heard that twelve months ago. Most of us already are fully jabbed. Those who aren't never will be as they've decided against it.
//Now we will all pay the price for idiots exercising civil liberties...//
How dare they! Which other "liberties" are you looking to curtail? Oh, here's one:
//you cannot get a coffee outside a cafe in France without a Covid passports//
And you'd like to see that here? No papers, no coffee? It happened in France about eighty years ago. I'm surprised they've allowed it to happen again.
As much as that? Did you ask any of them why they were doing so?
//Just do it and it'll be better for us all in the long run until most are fully jabbed...//
Strangely I heard that twelve months ago. Most of us already are fully jabbed. Those who aren't never will be as they've decided against it.
//Now we will all pay the price for idiots exercising civil liberties...//
How dare they! Which other "liberties" are you looking to curtail? Oh, here's one:
//you cannot get a coffee outside a cafe in France without a Covid passports//
And you'd like to see that here? No papers, no coffee? It happened in France about eighty years ago. I'm surprised they've allowed it to happen again.
You can sneer at people as much as you like newjudge for wearing a mask. There taking a small step that can make a small but overall important difference if everyone does it, looking after themselves and others, but if thats something to sneer at then go ahead. Would you sneer in JVTs face, Chris Wittys face, Jenny Harris;s face, your doctors face?
//The covid infection is unfortunately out of control again.//
No it isnt, well not as yet, and a mask wont change anything.
Gawd I've seen some rubbish on this site but the high minded on here are really taking the biscuit.
Oh, and virtuous mask wearers, wear you masks by all means but please keep your distance from me as that is what will work not your tatty bit of, usually, filthy cloth.
No it isnt, well not as yet, and a mask wont change anything.
Gawd I've seen some rubbish on this site but the high minded on here are really taking the biscuit.
Oh, and virtuous mask wearers, wear you masks by all means but please keep your distance from me as that is what will work not your tatty bit of, usually, filthy cloth.
///Would you sneer in JVTs face, Chris Wittys face, Jenny Harris;s face, your doctors face?//
Yes I would and I would point them in the direction of other well qualified medics who could put my point over. If you want to find them use a search engine other than the usual Google(try DuckDuckGo).
If masks are so wonderful can you please point us to a study that proves your point? I can only find one that says 10% at best but with man y caveats on (that people dont do)
Yes I would and I would point them in the direction of other well qualified medics who could put my point over. If you want to find them use a search engine other than the usual Google(try DuckDuckGo).
If masks are so wonderful can you please point us to a study that proves your point? I can only find one that says 10% at best but with man y caveats on (that people dont do)
YMF
///If masks are so wonderful can you please point us to a study that proves your point? I can only find one that says 10% at best but with man y caveats on (that people dont do).
Quite correct YMF that study that you mention was from Bangladesh.
Nobody is saying that masks are "wonderful " but in an out break they may well be helpful.
///If masks are so wonderful can you please point us to a study that proves your point? I can only find one that says 10% at best but with man y caveats on (that people dont do).
Quite correct YMF that study that you mention was from Bangladesh.
Nobody is saying that masks are "wonderful " but in an out break they may well be helpful.
//Nobody is saying that masks are "wonderful " //
Read above, I'm afraid some hang onto every word of something they believe. In a real outbreak they may be helpful but probably not against the actual spread more as a reminder of the potential dangers. However as some see it as the cure all (just see some comments on here) I found that it lead to people getting very close which negates any tiny thing the mask may give.
Keep your distance should be the message.
Read above, I'm afraid some hang onto every word of something they believe. In a real outbreak they may be helpful but probably not against the actual spread more as a reminder of the potential dangers. However as some see it as the cure all (just see some comments on here) I found that it lead to people getting very close which negates any tiny thing the mask may give.
Keep your distance should be the message.
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