U Turns, (I've Had A Few) & Shamima

[Khandro]

I have been previously against allowing Shamima Begum to return back to England, but having read this article - which in turn relates to a film called 'The Return', available on SKY and NOW TV (which I can't get). I have to say I have had a change of mind.

If you haven't been dibbing into the TLS you should, if you so wish, be able to read this short article & if you do, what do you think?

https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/the-return-life-after-isis-review-clive-stafford-smith/

[ToraToraTora]

SB may be in the camp but she is nothing like those that the article focuses on. She went there voluntarily to shack up with terrorists.

[davebro]

You turn if you want to, this..... (TGL)

[Gromit]

I agree with Tora.
She was not an innocent in the wrong place at the wrong time. She believed in holy war and killing was acceptable to her. She volunteer, worked for IS, and now she has to live with the consequences.

[naomi24]

There's only a few paragraphs of that available to non-subscribers, Khandro, and nothing I read explains why you've changed your mind. Why have you?

[ichkeria]

What I’ve been saying all along khandro

[webbo3]

Do we want her back, nah I don't think so.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jihadi-isis-bride-shamima-begum-when-i-saw-my-first-severed-head-it-didn-t-faze-me-at-all-3c0skkgp7

https://news.sky.com/video/is-bride-a-lot-of-people-should-have-sympathy-for-me-11640208

[naomi24]

Ichkeria, what have you been saying all along?

[LadyCG]

She is an enemy of the Western World, as is her terrorist husband. She made her bed and should jolly well lie in it.

[Khandro]

n. I can't cut & paste besause I can'T read it myself I've only got a hard copy of the TLS (July 2).

Lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith has actually visited these camps & the conditions are appaling I had no idea how many women & children are being held.

" Al Hol camp alone has held more than 100 times as many as Guantanamo [it's called 'Guantanamo on the Euphrates'] and an overwhelming majority are small children who would under the dictates of civilization benefit from an irrefutable presumption of innocence."

If you can watch the film, I should do

In another camp :ROJ, a young Kurdish woman tried to lighten the mood by playing music but then the doctrinaire wife of a senior Egyptian Isis leader arrived and declared it 'haram' she and a small cadre of enforcers created a new extremism , should someone like Shamima be tempted to criticize Isis in an interview, "such traitors had their tents set alight, as evidenced by the shocking film I was sent which showed the charred remains of a young boy".

Later.

" The truth about 'Guantanamo on the Euphrates' is only beginning to leak out, but facts have a habit of emerging in the end.

'The Return' should be required watching for anyone who thinks that stripping a teenager of her passport & condemning her & scores of children to live & perhaps die in Camp Roj makes Britain safer . It achieves precisely the opposite."

[naomi24]

Khandro, I watched The Return, but I think your emotions are taking precedence over your sound judgement. Shamima doesn't have any children. Only a fool would open our doors to this country's enemies - and she's one of them.

[jennyjoan]

I agree with Webb - absolutely no remorse - it didn't faze her to see a head in a bucket. She tried to cry some tears but they wouldn't come out. A very emotionless young girl. I think she would still be dangerous.

[New Judge]

I suppose you have to weigh up the pros and cons.

At the best she might return here, avoid contact with any Islamic lunatics and simply lead a reasonably normal life. What's in that for the UK? Next to nothing I would say.

Alternatively she might link up with some IS nutters, of whom there are plenty here (or they might link up with her) and she may assist in creating all sorts of mayhem and violence.

So the alternatives are little or no advantage against possible mayhem and destruction. A no-brainer, I think.

[jno]

///lead a reasonably normal life. What's in that for the UK? Next to nothing I would say///

the same as can be said of most UK citizens (and citizens of other countries). With luck they find work, pay their taxes, use the NHS and don't tear the police away from their paperwork.

[youngmafbog]

Nah, not changed my mind. She can rot in the hell she went to voluntarily.

[Peter Pedant]

even hardline AB wavering
there is hope and redemption after all

[Peter Pedant]

// She can rot in the hell she went to voluntarily.//

she is not in the hell she went to
and erm I dont think el hawl is holding her voluntarily

[New Judge]

//...the same as can be said of most UK citizens//

Indeed it can. The difference is there is less chance of most UK citizens linking up with a load of lunatics and causing death and destruction. This individual has shown that the likelihood of her doing so is somewhat greater than the average and we have the opportunity to keep her out. As I said, a no-brainer.

[youngmafbog]

You know exactly what I mean PP, dont be so pedantic.

[Jackdaw33]

Clive Stafford-Smith is one of you right-on, bleeding-heart liberal lawyers whose speciality is interfering in other countries' judicial sytems. His main claim to fame is taking up cases of condemned prisoners in the US to try to prevent their execution. He has had a notable lack of success in that field. I would have expected nothing less than this sham of a tear-jerker from him.

[Khandro]

Jack: Off topic, but //His main claim to fame is taking up cases of condemned prisoners in the US to try to prevent their execution.//

A fairly laudable thing to do, I'd say.

On topic: I didn't realise until now how Shamima became such a cause celebre, she was only one of many others when Anthony Loyd of The Times was credited with the "Scoop of the century" for finding "the Isis schoolgirl" in al Hol & projected her foolish words around the world.