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Let the rest of the UK vote then the wee one and her ToyTown Tartanistas can go off and do what ever they want.
To be honest if they thing it will be better then go for it. However I do think the SNP should be clear on what could happen to Scotland. With the UK gone from the EU how is the EU going to be able to fund them, already nations are objecting to paying more due to Covid.
And then there is the little issue of the currency. If they went alone then maybe they could keep the pound, but they would have no say on how it is valued or they could create the Scottish whatever, but that would have little value on the International markets at least initially. Or of course if they do join the EU they will have to use the EUR. Not sure that would sit well with real Nationalists.
To be honest if they thing it will be better then go for it. However I do think the SNP should be clear on what could happen to Scotland. With the UK gone from the EU how is the EU going to be able to fund them, already nations are objecting to paying more due to Covid.
And then there is the little issue of the currency. If they went alone then maybe they could keep the pound, but they would have no say on how it is valued or they could create the Scottish whatever, but that would have little value on the International markets at least initially. Or of course if they do join the EU they will have to use the EUR. Not sure that would sit well with real Nationalists.
Im Scottish too,Persy.However the majority of those who want"independence"for Scotland are in the main,the workshy,the benefits scroungers,the bone idle.At present their dole money comes up from Wolverhampton,England.God knows who they are going to get to pay for their beer,baccy and Buckfast.Wont be *** me thats for sure.
15.26 A nice summary of how those (including some Scots) who are opposed to independence, and/or ridicule the idea, see Scots who are of a different opinion: Going by the latest figures 58% of the the Scottish nation are supposedly incompetent/deluded scroungers who owe their existence/survival entirely to the English.
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So many haters on this thread. Why not just ignore this particular politician, unless she is your First Minister, then you are more than entitled to express your opinions.
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So many haters on this thread. Why not just ignore this particular politician, unless she is your First Minister, then you are more than entitled to express your opinions.
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Unless I’m mistaken I don’t think people are having a go at the Scottish people per se (or at least I don’t think I am), although I’m more than happy to say I find Sturgeon a despicable woman, not because as Allan has mistakenly said she’s a woman (Thatcher has been our greatest PM in my lifetime and is somebody I greatly admired, so for me at least it’s not borne out of sexism) I dislike her because she very clearly dislikes England; Boris is routinely disliked on this forum, so there’s literally no difference in disliking Sturgeon.
I do find it wryly amusing though that the Nats still have not attempted defend their position to the 6 six points I raised this morning.
It would be extreme arrogance of me to expect them to respond to my points, but that said, there’s not been even an attempt.
I do find it wryly amusing though that the Nats still have not attempted defend their position to the 6 six points I raised this morning.
It would be extreme arrogance of me to expect them to respond to my points, but that said, there’s not been even an attempt.
Deskdiary, 4.54 and 20.15 Being so modest, you must have considered the possibility that, at least among some, your points (your opinions) do not merit comment.
On your 1., the point you appear not to sense (miss) is that "Independence" is a statement in the context of the Union, not a philosophical/absolutist one. To give an example, true independence will certainly not befall the UK after 31.12.20 although that is a spiritual vision shared by many. Those advocating Scottish independence, Nicola Sturgeon in particular, have emphasized that they want a non-UK (independent) Scotland to widely participate in international co-operative ventures, starting with membership of the EU. The reverse of that is withdrawal from such ventures and that further defines the independence movement.
As the Brexit sentiment/outcome aptly demonstrates, in spite of in 2014 being urged/told to reject independence to ensure remaining in the EU, and in 2016 overwhelmingly voting to stay in the EU, Scotland has nevertheless left the EU. This is because, given the size differences in population, on any matter where opinions/desires north of the border differ from those south of the border, Scotland's are bound to be swept away as irrelevant (and that is not a metaphor for the views on Scotland/Scots of AB contributors). It is independence from that certainty which the discussion centres on when it comes to Scottish politics - a hard look at reality.
The rest of your points will be yawn inducing among those who don't want to trade blank assertions. For one (2.), the application process for EU membership is not a place-in-the-queue type - Turkey tried for years (decades ?) to join but several later applicants are already members.
On your 1., the point you appear not to sense (miss) is that "Independence" is a statement in the context of the Union, not a philosophical/absolutist one. To give an example, true independence will certainly not befall the UK after 31.12.20 although that is a spiritual vision shared by many. Those advocating Scottish independence, Nicola Sturgeon in particular, have emphasized that they want a non-UK (independent) Scotland to widely participate in international co-operative ventures, starting with membership of the EU. The reverse of that is withdrawal from such ventures and that further defines the independence movement.
As the Brexit sentiment/outcome aptly demonstrates, in spite of in 2014 being urged/told to reject independence to ensure remaining in the EU, and in 2016 overwhelmingly voting to stay in the EU, Scotland has nevertheless left the EU. This is because, given the size differences in population, on any matter where opinions/desires north of the border differ from those south of the border, Scotland's are bound to be swept away as irrelevant (and that is not a metaphor for the views on Scotland/Scots of AB contributors). It is independence from that certainty which the discussion centres on when it comes to Scottish politics - a hard look at reality.
The rest of your points will be yawn inducing among those who don't want to trade blank assertions. For one (2.), the application process for EU membership is not a place-in-the-queue type - Turkey tried for years (decades ?) to join but several later applicants are already members.
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