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We Are Not Doing So Badly
As, alas. there are a few idiots all too ready to make political capital out of an unforseen tragedy it would seem our current UK Government is managing quite well.
Whilst denigrating the efforts of those in power here there were many who held aloft South Korea as a shining example of how to eradicate this virus. Sadly it would appear that it is not yet all over for S. Korea and China are experiencing 4,000 new cases a day. So much for easing lock down in Wuhan. Have they jumped the gun? It is obvious that population density plays a great part as well as many other considerations but it demonstrates that no nation can feel smug or complacent as to how they have fared during this Global emergency.
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Whilst denigrating the efforts of those in power here there were many who held aloft South Korea as a shining example of how to eradicate this virus. Sadly it would appear that it is not yet all over for S. Korea and China are experiencing 4,000 new cases a day. So much for easing lock down in Wuhan. Have they jumped the gun? It is obvious that population density plays a great part as well as many other considerations but it demonstrates that no nation can feel smug or complacent as to how they have fared during this Global emergency.
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//" there you are you see, the numbers change before your very eyes, and THAT alone shows modelling is crap"//
You wrote it PP :-)
I believe Singapore has a model that tells us country by country, and day and month when that country is completely covid free and the world early next year.
I think there was something in the small print 'give or take a millenia or two'
You wrote it PP :-)
I believe Singapore has a model that tells us country by country, and day and month when that country is completely covid free and the world early next year.
I think there was something in the small print 'give or take a millenia or two'
retrocop
First rule of using links to prove a point is...READ THE LINK.
It ends with:
But the group has since taken down its country-by-country charts from its website — instead posting a disclaimer that the research was strictly for educational purposes and may contain errors.
Scientists at the university caution that their results are continually evolving and inexact– and that the predictions should not lead to hasty ends of lockdowns around the world.
“Over-optimism based on some predicted end dates is dangerous because it may loosen our disciplines and controls and cause the turnaround of the virus,” they said.
First rule of using links to prove a point is...READ THE LINK.
It ends with:
But the group has since taken down its country-by-country charts from its website — instead posting a disclaimer that the research was strictly for educational purposes and may contain errors.
Scientists at the university caution that their results are continually evolving and inexact– and that the predictions should not lead to hasty ends of lockdowns around the world.
“Over-optimism based on some predicted end dates is dangerous because it may loosen our disciplines and controls and cause the turnaround of the virus,” they said.
Nothing new here then
//Scientists making the predictions however have stressed that predictions are open to change and the dates are not definite.//
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//Scientists making the predictions however have stressed that predictions are open to change and the dates are not definite.//
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11.54 How long is a piece of string for future problems? but you don't run down central stocks of the very basics for ten years, and then ignore a warning 3/4 years ago of a scenario. AND AGAIN, before someone jumps in I voted for Boris, and past tory, but has he is now backing a blatant liar, and not got the balls to do the right thing, who knows if I will carry on supporting him. A seen a five year old come up with better excuses for wetting his pants than Cummings come up with.
Easy mistake to make. Leaving that aside, though, there is a clear difference between saying that "the UK is doing badly compared to some other countries" and "the UK's response has been the worst in the world". There's little doubt about the former: South Korea, Germany, New Zealand, a few other countries have clearly responded to this far better than many countries as shown by their respective growth curves, and that includes the UK.
My own feeling is that the countries with the worst responses to this would include, but aren't necessarily limited to, China, Russia, and Brazil. I don't see, though, how finding other countries that have done worse is in any sense helpful. The UK has made clear and preventable mistakes in its approach. To say so is not anti-British.
My own feeling is that the countries with the worst responses to this would include, but aren't necessarily limited to, China, Russia, and Brazil. I don't see, though, how finding other countries that have done worse is in any sense helpful. The UK has made clear and preventable mistakes in its approach. To say so is not anti-British.
Maybe instead of scepticism for its own sake you could comment on where the flaw(s) is/are coming from, and how to fix them. There is no approach to understanding data that doesn't involve some extent of number-crunching, and there is no approach to understanding the spread of a disease that won't involve using data.
//Do you think that the UK government are doing quite well, and that decisions made were the right ones?//
Given the benefit of hindsight and a crystal ball they could of done better. Then that applies to any government of the day. I would not criticise Labour under these circumstances. This particular virus is still a complete unknown. We, at least,acknowledge this virus is extremely dangerous and exists. Certain 'El Presidents' do not and are suffering worst than others.
North Korea could launch 6 10million megaton nuclear bombs on London tonight and would you be surprised we were unable to deal with the fall out and aftermath let alone the incoming ordnance?
Given the benefit of hindsight and a crystal ball they could of done better. Then that applies to any government of the day. I would not criticise Labour under these circumstances. This particular virus is still a complete unknown. We, at least,acknowledge this virus is extremely dangerous and exists. Certain 'El Presidents' do not and are suffering worst than others.
North Korea could launch 6 10million megaton nuclear bombs on London tonight and would you be surprised we were unable to deal with the fall out and aftermath let alone the incoming ordnance?
retrocop
I see your point.
I agree - but I think some things have got badly wrong, and some things have gone very right.
But we are not the only people to criticise our government. We are not the only people to score political points out of this.
People are scared and angry and they're going to take it out on their governments, the moment they see a balls up.
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I see your point.
I agree - but I think some things have got badly wrong, and some things have gone very right.
But we are not the only people to criticise our government. We are not the only people to score political points out of this.
People are scared and angry and they're going to take it out on their governments, the moment they see a balls up.
Like:
https:/
retrocop
Look though that News pages of AB.
Just about anything can be used to make a political point. Trump, Corbyn, Khan, American gun culture, Joe Biden, UK knife culture, Jacob Rees Mogg, yellow vest protests, Brexit...
Every major news story will gather the pros and antis.
Covid-19 and the government response was never going to escape this.
Look though that News pages of AB.
Just about anything can be used to make a political point. Trump, Corbyn, Khan, American gun culture, Joe Biden, UK knife culture, Jacob Rees Mogg, yellow vest protests, Brexit...
Every major news story will gather the pros and antis.
Covid-19 and the government response was never going to escape this.
//People are scared and angry and they're going to take it out on their governments, the moment they see a balls up. //
I am afraid that is a fact of life and a matter of history.During the phoney war in 39/40 the government had started on going studies entitled Mass Hysteria after the effects of carpet bombing and annihilation by German bombers. The study covered all aspects of human behaviour including suicide and blame games.
There are always people with a hair trigger on the panic button and a cup of tea and a woodbine did the trick. The prediction of bombing deaths far exceeded the amount shown in the study and Malta suffered more tonnage of bombs dropped than all of London.
Similarly the amount of ICU beds required were over estimated and panic set in. As it stands the Nightingales were never fully utilised and now are on stand by but the government at least had a plan.
I am afraid that is a fact of life and a matter of history.During the phoney war in 39/40 the government had started on going studies entitled Mass Hysteria after the effects of carpet bombing and annihilation by German bombers. The study covered all aspects of human behaviour including suicide and blame games.
There are always people with a hair trigger on the panic button and a cup of tea and a woodbine did the trick. The prediction of bombing deaths far exceeded the amount shown in the study and Malta suffered more tonnage of bombs dropped than all of London.
Similarly the amount of ICU beds required were over estimated and panic set in. As it stands the Nightingales were never fully utilised and now are on stand by but the government at least had a plan.
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