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It seems a bit odd to me that Labour are having a post mortem when they already know the answer - listen to the electorate, they've told you and in some areas, quite emphatically.
It seems a bit odd to me that Labour are having a post mortem when they already know the answer - listen to the electorate, they've told you and in some areas, quite emphatically.
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// Doesn't matter what you think of him - he's right!//
that is cassandy innit ? - that Grecian girl ( sorry Nigh, orrin coming up) who in antiquity used to say things and no one believed it (*)
(*) yeah foo! TTT - she used to say - "three coffees please" and they used to bring her two teas. Fings like that
that is cassandy innit ? - that Grecian girl ( sorry Nigh, orrin coming up) who in antiquity used to say things and no one believed it (*)
(*) yeah foo! TTT - she used to say - "three coffees please" and they used to bring her two teas. Fings like that
//The press didn't help, either.//
I think they simply reported matters as they were.
Thanks for finding the Python clip, Jim. That's the one.
Allegations of Ms Long-Bailey's extension of the truth are indeed well founded. She was born in September 1979. Salford docks (where she says her father worked) declined considerably during the 1970s, as the Manchester Ship Canal (which served the docks) became unable to accommodate the larger container ships then being introduced. By 1979 (the year of Ms L-B's birth) the workforce had declined considerably and in August 1981 (when Ms L-B had not yet celebrated her second birthday) the area was declared an Enterprise Zone to encourage development and regeneration. The docks were all but finished.
Quite what her father was doing when she became old enough to assume that he was "...worrying when round after round of redundancies were inflicted on the docks” is anybody's guess. But he certainly was not working in Salford Docks.
I think they simply reported matters as they were.
Thanks for finding the Python clip, Jim. That's the one.
Allegations of Ms Long-Bailey's extension of the truth are indeed well founded. She was born in September 1979. Salford docks (where she says her father worked) declined considerably during the 1970s, as the Manchester Ship Canal (which served the docks) became unable to accommodate the larger container ships then being introduced. By 1979 (the year of Ms L-B's birth) the workforce had declined considerably and in August 1981 (when Ms L-B had not yet celebrated her second birthday) the area was declared an Enterprise Zone to encourage development and regeneration. The docks were all but finished.
Quite what her father was doing when she became old enough to assume that he was "...worrying when round after round of redundancies were inflicted on the docks” is anybody's guess. But he certainly was not working in Salford Docks.
I can confirm that Salford Docks were completely flat by 1986, aaas I was there looking for a house that was going to be built on the brown field site.
I am not sure what they did with the dockworkers as London Docks had a really weird employment contract - a job for life and an ability to assign it to one off your work-shy offspring.
I think Eddie M is a inspired choice
a failure ( my god he knows how to Fail) tells people why there has been an outright failure - blimey he should know !
I am not sure what they did with the dockworkers as London Docks had a really weird employment contract - a job for life and an ability to assign it to one off your work-shy offspring.
I think Eddie M is a inspired choice
a failure ( my god he knows how to Fail) tells people why there has been an outright failure - blimey he should know !
Salford Docks ceased to be a functioning inland port about 15 years before 1986.
The owners, Peel Holdings had already started to diversify into luxury apartments and the Trafford Shopping Centre.There were no legacy contracts to sort out - every body had gone.
Today, it is one of Manchester’s regeneration successes.
The owners, Peel Holdings had already started to diversify into luxury apartments and the Trafford Shopping Centre.There were no legacy contracts to sort out - every body had gone.
Today, it is one of Manchester’s regeneration successes.
Ms Long-Bailey would be another disaster - but I despair when I look at the list of contenders. Lammy! A No, No! Far too metropolitan. I think Labour are going to struggle to find someone. I would dearly like to see a sensible and credible opposition party to maintain the balance. I can't see anyone at the moment.
The Labour Party is in the desparate stages of denial after being shattered by its huge defeat.
Anyone with a detached view can clearly see the various strands that drew together to vaporize their support, all it takes is a sense of honest objectivity, a basic level of intelligence, and enough interest to have followed Labour's campaign.
In other words, anyone remotely bothered can come up with the reasons on a sheet of A4 in about ten minutes.
What several weeks of puffed up navel gazing by a failed former leader and a few stuffed shirts is going to reveal that is different, and therefore dishonest and avoiding the issue, remains to be seen.
Hi Ed - let me save you some time here -
Labour has not had an electable leader since Michael Foot hobbled into view, with the exception of John Smith (gone too soon) and Tony Blair, (gone too late).
The Electorate is not stupid, if you offer pie-in-the-sky nonsense as policies, they will turn their backs on you.
If you are a Party that has lost anything resembling a grip on reality, and is busy becoming an ideological talking shop, the notion that the Electorate will see you as a group of people that lives in the real world vanishes into thin air.
If a one Party convinces the electorate that it will do what it says, and the other Party offers cloud cuckoo land and an unpleasant narrow-minded bigot as a leader, then the first Party get elected.
If you want to think about government in the next fifty years, stop giving positions of influence to people who are utterly unqualified to hold them.
Listen to what people here want from you, and stop foisting your intellectual outdated dogmatic notions of a society that never existed onto them, promising you will return them to it.
Bring people in who actually live and work north of the M25!
It's not rocket science!
Anyone with a detached view can clearly see the various strands that drew together to vaporize their support, all it takes is a sense of honest objectivity, a basic level of intelligence, and enough interest to have followed Labour's campaign.
In other words, anyone remotely bothered can come up with the reasons on a sheet of A4 in about ten minutes.
What several weeks of puffed up navel gazing by a failed former leader and a few stuffed shirts is going to reveal that is different, and therefore dishonest and avoiding the issue, remains to be seen.
Hi Ed - let me save you some time here -
Labour has not had an electable leader since Michael Foot hobbled into view, with the exception of John Smith (gone too soon) and Tony Blair, (gone too late).
The Electorate is not stupid, if you offer pie-in-the-sky nonsense as policies, they will turn their backs on you.
If you are a Party that has lost anything resembling a grip on reality, and is busy becoming an ideological talking shop, the notion that the Electorate will see you as a group of people that lives in the real world vanishes into thin air.
If a one Party convinces the electorate that it will do what it says, and the other Party offers cloud cuckoo land and an unpleasant narrow-minded bigot as a leader, then the first Party get elected.
If you want to think about government in the next fifty years, stop giving positions of influence to people who are utterly unqualified to hold them.
Listen to what people here want from you, and stop foisting your intellectual outdated dogmatic notions of a society that never existed onto them, promising you will return them to it.
Bring people in who actually live and work north of the M25!
It's not rocket science!
''Bring people in who actually live and work north of the M25!''
didn't the majority of them vote Tory? :-)
I found watching Corbyn sitting in the HoC unsettling/arrogant/uncomfortable a couple of days ago.
I have a sneaky suspicion that the longer he delays his exit as leader the more he hopes to convince his party that he is still the right leader.
Deluded old phart surrounded by oddballs and sycophants.
didn't the majority of them vote Tory? :-)
I found watching Corbyn sitting in the HoC unsettling/arrogant/uncomfortable a couple of days ago.
I have a sneaky suspicion that the longer he delays his exit as leader the more he hopes to convince his party that he is still the right leader.
Deluded old phart surrounded by oddballs and sycophants.
//heaven forbid that a major piolitical party should elect a liar as its leader, Deskdiary.//
All politicians tell lies and mislead the electorate to a greater or lesser degree. It's what they do. Voters should make their choice with that firmly in mind and it is their duty to sort the wheat from the chaff. Any voter expecting anything else is deluded so I don't understand what the continual harping on is all about.
All politicians tell lies and mislead the electorate to a greater or lesser degree. It's what they do. Voters should make their choice with that firmly in mind and it is their duty to sort the wheat from the chaff. Any voter expecting anything else is deluded so I don't understand what the continual harping on is all about.
alba - // ''Bring people in who actually live and work north of the M25!''
didn't the majority of them vote Tory? :-) //
Precisely my point alba.
I live in Stoke, which has not had a Party other than Labour to represent it in living memory.
It returned a Tory to all three of its seats.
There, encapsulated, is the issue of a London-centric Labour Party talking piffle to itself in its Islington bubble.
didn't the majority of them vote Tory? :-) //
Precisely my point alba.
I live in Stoke, which has not had a Party other than Labour to represent it in living memory.
It returned a Tory to all three of its seats.
There, encapsulated, is the issue of a London-centric Labour Party talking piffle to itself in its Islington bubble.
Beeb radio 4
this am
Jacquintha Doo dah - how to fail
she has written a book on it
consider three failures in yourself and how you could have done better ......
which I thought was a goody
My niece has jusst failed her accelerated promotion exams - and I agree, there is something positive to be drawn
besides - they were trying to shaft me which I think is true
[ no reader the refutation of that is NOT: they were nt trying to shaft you - they were shafting you!]
such is life
egged on to fail by ones elders and betters
now that is a lesson in life for aanyone
PP (aged 71 1/2)
this am
Jacquintha Doo dah - how to fail
she has written a book on it
consider three failures in yourself and how you could have done better ......
which I thought was a goody
My niece has jusst failed her accelerated promotion exams - and I agree, there is something positive to be drawn
besides - they were trying to shaft me which I think is true
[ no reader the refutation of that is NOT: they were nt trying to shaft you - they were shafting you!]
such is life
egged on to fail by ones elders and betters
now that is a lesson in life for aanyone
PP (aged 71 1/2)
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