Should Trident Be Scrapped

[emmie]

as proposed by the SNP.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50536460

[Zacs-Master]

The big advantage of Trident:
Our enemies know that even if they launch attacks on cities and other strategic locations, there’s always a hidden sub with devastating capabilities waiting to retaliate. That’s why it’s a very important deterrent .

[JimF]

The entire continents of South America, Africa and Australasia are in the nuclear weapon-free zone. They seem to have managed not to get nuked.

[ToraToraTora]

bang on ZM! BA material right there emmie.

[Zacs-Master]

Thank you for the nom, Tora.

[webbo3]

maggiebee.
\\Definitely YES. Very expensive and Scotland is fed up of being the dumping ground of the UK.//

I take it you want job loses and a loss to the local economy the.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/union-warn-of-job-losses-if-trident-and-submarines-moved-from-scotland/

\\However, GMB union warned that removing nuclear weapons and nuclear submarines from Faslane were risking the livelihoods of 6,800 service personnel and civilian staff at the site.An estimated 5,000 extra jobs are linked to the base in the supply chain and local economy in Argyll.//

\\All 11 Royal Navy submarines will be based on the Clyde at Faslane from 2020, seeing the number of people directly employed at the base rising to 8,200. It is also understood that Scotlands ‘share’ of Trident is around £163 million a year and the annual spend generated by the base in the local area and the wider region is estimated to be more than £270 million per year, this includes spending by the 6,500 personnel based at Faslane in the local economy.//

[ToraToraTora]

yes jim and they'd have no way of stopping a future aggressor.

[Prudie]

I didn't realise we were using Scotland as a dumping ground. Also hadn't realised but I presume therefore no Scots were employed in the Trident programme, nor in the building of HMS Queen Elizabeth & Prince of Wales......

[KARL]

Part, a big part, of the argument for nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers and other battleships is their "projection of power". In ordinary language that is posturing and bullying on a worldwide scale - these things are much boasted of when they turn up in Australia, Japan, Korea, etc. This is a perverse tendency and has more to do with pretence than defence. The UK might be taken more seriously if it confined itself to home and moved to overcome its socio-economic backwardness at the expense of the hardware/toys. This military grandstanding is rather dated stuff, and hugely expensive too. Being as far up the rear end of the USA and almost entirely confined to doing their bidding (or "supporting the special relationship's ally") is also unbecoming.

[emmie]

prudie its why webbo gets BA...

[Bobbisox1]

Definitely not, we need it as a deterrent which is why this country doesn’t need Corbyn as PM,

[Bobbisox1]

Sorry meant to use a link

https://www.forces.net/news/jeremy-corbyn-would-labours-leader-be-prepared-press-nuclear-button

[emmie]

Bobbie, i don't think Corbyn is going to scrap Trident. It's the wee lass that wants to do it.

[KARL]

Job creation does not justify any of the less desirable sectors. Just think how many jobs could be created in hanging onto land mines, chemical weapons......

[anneasquith]

This is AB. Nicola says today is Sunday. AB says oh no it’s not. Carry on .

[emmie]

for those that think we shouldn't have warships, it gives jobs to Scottish industry and well beyond

The Queen Elizabeth was built on slipway four at John Brown & Company in Clydebank, Scotland, Great Britain. During her construction she was more commonly known by her shipyard number, Hull 552.

[emmie]

Anne nope don't get your post..

[Bobbisox1]

It’ll be there as a white elephant then Emmie ,as he’s on record as saying he won’t press the button ( in 15-17)

[Prudie]

The job bit was totally separate from the whether we should have Trident and nuclear deterrents or not - it was in response to whether it should be built in Scotland.

[emmie]

Prudie it should.

[maggiebee]

Rather a stupid comment Prudie. There's a big difference between building ocean going ships and "harbouring" trident. If you are so keen on trident I suggest they are all moved to the Thames to protect your capital.