Make Me P M Or I'll Sqweam And Sqweam And Sqweam.......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/17/corbyn-labour-no-deal-brexit-mps-flirting-with-disaster
After even Collaborator Oliver Letwin declared he'd rather no deal than let Agent Cob into No 10, is Jezza getting desparate?

[ToraToraTora]

jim; "when we finally do come back to the table -- as we must -- then we have nothing further to hang over their heads. " - why? we leave, we're gone with no deal hopefully.

[Old_Geezer]

Inward id good because it means we are not going to be messed about with any longer. But it's beyond rational belief one can dismiss the outward reasons.

[ichkeria]

You have surely must have grasped by now that the EU IS willing to go with No Deal. Reluctantly but nonetheless. They’ve been planning for it for months.
And I’ll tell you this: Boris Johnson knows it too and so do his cabinet. The greater part of the Conservative party membership and MOs are obsessed with the idea that if Brexit is not delivered it will mean the end of the Tory party. They are surely wrong about they but no matter. They believe or fear it and that is the reason for the “Oct 31 do or die” stuff. Nothing whatever to do with bouncing the EU into talks - unless they are dafter than they look.

[jim360]

Theresa May repeatedly insisted, time and time again, that we were leaving on March 29th. Funnily enough, so did you, TTT. At the time, you clearly believed TM. The only thing that has changed is that you're being suckered by a different person.

[mushroom25]

anyway, to address the original question. if mr Corbyn was serious about wanting to lead us not into No-Deal, he'd be out there canvassing, lobbying, chasing those who could help his cause. instead he's clearing off on a 4 day jolly to Ghana.

[jim360]

Please can you stop correcting your typos all the time, OG? It's really tiresome.

[ToraToraTora]

jim: "At the moment the simple fact is that "No Deal" isn't a threat to the EU" - so german jam jars won't get slapped with duty then? French wine etc, The EUSSR is completely un harmed by no deal is it? Right oh! Well they don't seem to think so. Why is everything always bad on our side but harmless to the EUSSR with you and co?

[jim360]

We must go back to the table because after having left the EU we'll be seeking a trade deal. As well as deals on security cooperation, science cooperation, fishing, etc etc.

Good luck with that.

[ichkeria]

Indeed so mushroom.
Scurrying off to Africa like a foreign secretary heading to Afghanistan :-)

[jim360]

// "At the moment the simple fact is that "No Deal" isn't a threat to the EU".... The EUSSR is completely un harmed by no deal is it? //

No, of course it will be. I had made that clear in an earlier post -- and several times before. You're right that the sentence you've quoted implies otherwise, though.

To clarify, again -- No Deal is a far greater threat to the UK than it is to the EU. Proportionally we will be affected far worse. Moreover, the EU is probably rather better-prepared for it than we are. So in that sense, the sentence should have read "No Deal is not enough of a threat to the EU."

[naomi24]

Jim, I can't believe you really don't understand that deals work both ways. Much more scary to give the impression they don't.

[ToraToraTora]

Jim 14:34, yes until she came back with a non "deal" that could not ever have been accepted under any circumstances, it basically guaranteed perpetual vassalage. Jim would you have voted to accept May's deal ?
PS I did suggest some weeks ago that OG checks what he writes before submitting but that was met with an angry comment.

[davebro]

And then there's the £39 billion!

[dannyk13]

Jim,//I had made that clear in an earlier post -- and several times before.//
Exactly, you really are getting boring.

[jim360]

I don't even understand the point Naomi is making. I'm perfectly aware that Deals work both ways, or not as the case may be.

Sorry for being boring then, danny. Still, better to make the point as forcefully as I can now, while it still make make at least some difference, than afterwards, when it will be rather too late.

TTT: depends on what voting against the deal would have meant. In a straight choice between Remain and the Deal I'd have voted to Remain. In a choice between that deal and No Deal I'd have voted for the deal. I don't know why you needed me to say this, again, as it's another thing I've repeatedly made clear. Just as you said you'd prefer Remaining to the Deal (and No Deal to Remaining).

[ichkeria]

I’ve long thought “Brexit” is one of those things that can only ever be acceptable to its supporters as an idea.
Put flesh on it and they recoil in horror. That was why I’ve always said that Brexit failed from the moment the deal came back with Mrs May. The conundrum of the Irish border is its Achilles heel in chief

[Old_Geezer]

It's tiresome finding they exist with no way or correcting them. It's also tiresome some sadist likes to make me feel bad by taking a delight in removing them. So no. I need to correct stuff when I spot it for my own peace of mind.

[dannyk13]

ich,Rubbish

[naomi24]

Jim, //I don't even understand the point Naomi is making.//

The point I am making is that all you ever do is scaremonger. Sadly for you people here aren't as gullible as you'd like them to be. All your ineffectual gloom and doom is just tedious now.