Birmingham Pub Bombings Inquest

[agchristie]

At least one of those named is still alive.Should efforts be stepped up to prosecute?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47670167

[Peter Pedant]

no - non starter
which I suppose is why the coroner didnt want a wide inquest (s81) but a narrower one ( 'for chrissakes why are we here - we know they are dead!' )

Was it guildford or Birmngham the police were indicted fpr their poor showing - they framed people they knew they were framing?
Magistrate Bartells ( Police Fed - we kinda knew he wd do this) refused to send it to a higher court on the grounds
- -- it was so long ago ....

it is a name and not even a confession
Bridget O'Reily (*) hasnt said - oh yes sorr, I did dat, to be sure to be sure'

(*) yeah yeah before you all squawk - I know witness O didnt really name Bridget O'R)

[ummmm]

Guildford 4.

[agchristie]

//no - non starter//

Meanwhile,Soldier F is facing charges from Bloody Sunday and that was three years earlier!!

[Peter Pedant]

Magistrare Bartells rank failure to uphold the law was appealed by the govt ( Lord Chancellor Dept) and the
queens Bench Division of the High court - -- - upheld his decision

sozza boys ( and High ) there are some very very long words used technically in those two posts)( I mean people are gonna post - "I got past - 'no non starter' and the rest looked so long I skipped it" and who wold blame them)

[Peter Pedant]

AG - we commoners are here to consume and admire justice not to change the law - - - dole out Justice

that is left to the Great and Good

[retrocop]

//"I got past - 'no non starter' and the rest looked so long I skipped it" and who wold blame them)//

I think most people skip a post as soon as they see who is posting it and who can blame them?

[ummmm]

I skipped it too. He won't change his style of posting though.

[Peter Pedant]

Oh !
well there were these bombs and they went off in Birmingham
and they killed lots and lots of people. Splattered they were. Blood and arms everywhere. Bodies oy oy oy !
I would have thought Retro had heard of that (1974) - but hey-ho this is AB ! and we all have selective memories. and as Bartells ( see above) said - it was all such a long time ago

so retros colleagues ( other police men that is !) framed a few irish men and knew they were framing them and so did the irish men. And the irish men ate porridge for 15 y

and it was no one's fault

The judge said - it is not my fault if the police choose to lie to me. That was Lord Justice Taylor

and no one blamed the police and no one lost their jobs.
and a lot said - oh they really had done it but the police cdmt show it so they made up the evidence

honestly boys and girls I would have thought you had seen some of this on the telly ! - you know in betweem emmerdale and coro

[Peter Pedant]

// I think most people skip a post //

and then post as a comment - "I skipped this post ! so I have no idea what it was about but I am still commenting"

Oh heavens this really is Ab in all its thoughtful glory !

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6838989/Convicted-IRA-bomber-names-four-men-says-1974-Birmingham-pub-bombings.html

It is disgusting, British justice would rather charge Ex British soldiers and Ex-Police officers for being involved in deaths that took place years ago, rather than some 'protected species'. out and out killers.

[youngmafbog]

If they want to investigate/prosecute soldiers then they should do the same to the other side.


IMHO though they should let sleeping dogs lie now. Ther eis nothing to be gained anymore from dragging either side through the Courts. Apart from the Shiners of this world of course.

[retrocop]

//honestly boys and girls I would have thought you had seen some of this on the telly ! - you know in betweem emmerdale and coro //

PP
I was probably covering up the detached legs of WPC Jane Arbuthnot and her body outside Harrods after the bomb went off at the time you mention I didn't see much TV but I know what arms,legs and blood looks like. I suppose you recall The Waltons Restaurant and not on TV. I also was the first police response vehicle to that bombing and attended the dead and the dying on that one as well.

[Prudie]

From my viewpoint that event was the most heinous of all committed by the IRA on the mainland (maybe Hyde Park as well). I can still remember the terror I felt when I heard it on the news, probably because I was so young and innocent. It's not a subject to discuss on here in jovial rantings.

[retrocop]

PP
More Telly for you to mock

[chanel5]

Speaking as an Irish person, I just want to assure Peter Pedant that very few, if any, Irish people actually say "To be sure, to be sure", no matter what the circumstances. Using such stereotypical nonsense completely negates any serious points you are trying to make.

[agchristie]

AOG //It is disgusting, British justice would rather charge Ex British soldiers and Ex-Police officers for being involved in deaths that took place years ago, //

Yes,echoes my post at 14.17.

[hc4361]

I am doubtful that these are the men that are responsible for the Birmingham pub bombings - it is convenient that the men are either dead or unable to be prosecuted.

[agchristie]

I heard on the news that one of the named is alive.

[naomi24]

Yes. As you say Soldier F is facing charges.

[tonyav]

Avatar Image Prudie From my viewpoint that event was the most heinous of all committed by the IRA on the mainland (maybe Hyde Park as well). I can still remember the terror I felt when I heard it on the news, probably because I was so young and innocent. It's not a subject to discuss on here in jovial rantings.

Very well said, Prudie. I'll never forget that night as neither will most of my generation in the Birmingham and surrounding area.