Vote On 2Nd Refrendum

[spathiphyllum]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-mp-vote-second-referendum-theresa-may-no-deal-a8822636.html?fbclid=IwAR3EcMpn9zjPSS0Ma6kqi-73l4l-I6G-YAODbbImR1FFSo_myEtSkGJZ6TM


I'm genuinely bored of this now.

[youngmafbog]

Mays deal wont be tweaked, why would the EU do that?

Remainers have backed us into a corner, wonder if they wold like to find a way out?

[spathiphyllum]

Yeah this is all because of remainers..

Saying to someone "want to go swimming" they say no, you say yes, then when it comes to jumping into the pool and you realise it's dirty saying "this is your fault for not wanting to go swimming"

[dannyk13]

ymb, It is not the EU who will tweak the deal.It is May herself before she brings it back next week.

[jim360]

As far as I can see, the only bit of tweaking that May's deal will get, for the time being, is that the legal advice over the Backstop will change to make it easier for the DUP and European Research Group to swallow.

[Khandro]

Nigel makes his move, remainers note;

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1099996/Brexit-news-Nigel-Farage-UK-EU-withdrawal-Italy-Poland-no-deal-extension-vote-today-May

[vetuste_ennemi]

//... the only bit of tweaking that May's deal will get... is that the legal advice over the Backstop will change to make it easier for the DUP and European Research Group to swallow//

Happening as we speak.

This from the fragrant Melanie Phillips (hope I'm not infringing copyright):

//The Attorney is apparently changing his legal advice! The Times reports he has suddenly discovered a whole new international means of exiting the backstop! It says:

“Under a potential deal the government would legislate to give parliament the power to unilaterally pull out of the Irish backstop should MPs determine it had become permanent.

“Mr Cox would also issue supplementary legal advice making clear that if the backstop became permanent then that would constitute a “fundamental change of circumstance” under the Vienna Convention.

“…A senior Brexiteer said that the DUP and many in the ERG could have voted with the government on Tuesday had Mr Cox referenced Article 62 of the convention in his official advice. Asked why he had not, they replied: ‘Incompetence.’

“…Under the plan, Mr Cox would submit additional written legal advice to parliament saying the UK has the power to unilaterally exit the Irish backstop under Article 62 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. This says that a state can pull out of a treaty if there is a “fundamental change in the circumstances” to the “basis of consent” that allowed the treaty to be agreed.”//

[youngmafbog]

"It is not the EU who will tweak the deal.It is May herself before she brings it back next week."

And this is the problem. We(May) cannot dictate to the EU what they do. Negotiation is a two way thing.

"Yeah this is all because of remainers.. "

It is. Thre was no question on my ballot paper called "Leave with a deal", was there on yours?

It was plain as the hole in your ass that no deal would be reached, made very plain by Call me Dave coming back with his tail between his legs just prior to the referendum.

The Remainers always wanted a deal, leavers were happy to have one if available but if not then just leave. Quite simple.

[youngmafbog]

Thats not tweaking the deal though v_e. Thais changing the wording of the legal advice (No doubt after him being leaned on)

[dannyk13]

ymb, see post at 14.22

[youngmafbog]

Sorry, I dont get you Danny.

You wrote
"It is not the EU who will tweak the deal.It is May herself before she brings it back next week."

I am saying it is not solely up to her. The EU allowing an extension is an entirely different kettle of fish.

[dannyk13]

ymb. Juncker has stated that the EU is willing to grant an extension in order to come up with a solution to this problem.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Philip ("Resigner") Lee, being interviewed on Sky, said that the second referendum should have two questions: Mrs. May's deal, or Remain. Which is, of course, the choice between staying in the EU with representation, or staying without it.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//Thats not tweaking the deal though v_e. That is changing the wording of the legal advice (No doubt after him being leaned on)//

Leaned on? What a slur on the Learned Gentlememan, YMB.

[New Judge]

It should be "No Deal" or "Mrs May's deal". The decision to leave has already been taken and endorsed (twice) by Parliament.

[paddywak]

Oh for a leader with the bottle to stand up and say "we voted to leave and that's what we're doing and if you don't like it you can lump it,cause come the day we're off.

[vetuste_ennemi]

(Paddywak, are you the guy who spent an evening with his wife or girlfriend with Joan Baez in a Parisian bar? Or am I confusing you with someone else?)

[paddywak]

I certainly was Vetuste, it was just a happy chance that we stopped for a drink in this bar somewhere around Notre Dame and ended up having one of the most memorable nights of our life.Trish (still my girlfriend) and I will often just sit back with a bottle of plonk,dim the lights and play Joan.Seen her several times in concert but none were as good as our own "private" concert

[Old_Geezer]

Saying to someone "want to go swimming" they say no, you say yes, then when it comes to jumping into the pool and you realise the noes are defecating in the water, it's now dirty, saying, "this is your fault for trying to stop us swimming"

[JF85]

"What do you mean? Within international law, sovereign nations can do as they wish."

But where does that leave us, since we do not get our sovereignty back until we leave?

[Khandro]

//Saying to someone "want to go swimming" they say no, you say yes, then when it comes to jumping into the pool and you realise the noes are defecating in the water, it's now dirty, saying, "this is your fault for trying to stop us swimming"//

Holmes, this is I think, a two-pipe problem.