This Deal Or No Brexit At All

[-Talbot-]

https://twitter.com/JunckerEU/status/1105238043106181120


When was 'No Deal' taken off the table?



https://twitter.com/SimonPearson961/status/1105241140943568897

[murraymints]

we survived as part of Europe without being part of EEC as it was..we remain in Europe but escape the clutches of the Bundesbank and Brussels !! perhaps a lot of folk here are too young to remember how well we managed ? what started as a Trade agreement became very very different...not at all what we voted for way back in the day....

[naomi24]

In answer to your question Talbot, //When was 'No Deal' taken off the table? // - I don't believe it was truly ever on the table.

[naomi24]

For me the question here is one of principle. That Remainers so willingly support the thwarting of a democratic vote to get what they want is frightening. Where that mentality leads is anyone’s guess. ‘1984’ anyone?

[murraymints]

Naomi.."some of us are more equal than others " ?

[naomi24]

Murraymints, that's 'Animal Farm' .... but that fits too. ;o)

[dannyk13]

Naomi, no deal was always on the table by default.An Act of Parliament decrees that we leave the EU on 29th March.It does not say that this is dependent on a deal.

[anotheoldgit]

Rockrose.

/// most of the immigrants don't even come from Europe - they are the ones that sunk this country not the remainers! ///

Immigrants have sunk this country?

What a strange thing for you to say lol.

[naomi24]

danny, indeed - but I'm perhaps a little more sceptical than you.

[Ellipsis]

No deal is the equivalent of us shooting ourselves in the head and the EU shooting themselves in the foot. We continue to retain it as an option in the vain hope that the EU will give us a better deal rather than shoot themselves in the foot. With no deal "off the table" we lose a bargaining chip, but it's not a chip that anybody on our side who cares about the economy, trade, business, jobs, their re-electability etc etc would ever want to play - the outcome would be catastrophic, and both sides know that.

[Rockrose]

Aog you are being deliberately provocative

[ichkeria]

I’ve never understood how No Deal was ever a bargaining chip in the first place. It is true that the EU don’t want that, of course they don’t, but the idea we can hold them to ransom over it is misguided.
It always seemed a case of “Do a deal with us or the other foot gets it as well”

[Peter Pedant]

// When was 'No Deal' taken off the table? //

you mean there was deal file labelled 'No Deal'
and now it has gone ?

So no-deal was a kinda deal ? - dear God no wonder we are in the carp ( all cretans are liars said the famous cretan Epimedes)

( "so no-deal is a deal " is the parallel in case you cant see)

[ichkeria]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46237012

The above is a very useful summary and analysis of the key parts of the agreement and what MPs will be voting on

[Spicerack]

Some of you people must be having a laugh. The idea any idiot would go into any negotiation and take 'no deal' off the table is mental.

[Togo]

No deal was the term invented by the Remainiacs as part of project fear. The real deal is the old deal, the WTO deal that serves the rest of the World very well indeed. That is what we will have to use when the pyramid scheme collapses anyway. The sooner(looks likely) the better.

[murraymints]

naomi..that came to mind before your 1984 ref ...

[ichkeria]

There is a difference between the prospect of not doing a deal - naturally that is always a possibility with any negotiation - and thinking that if you are heading in a particular direction then it’s a good idea.
If you are negotiating with an equipment supplier what stuff you need for a hazardous journey then there’s always a chance you may not agree. But if the default position says you must make that journey anyway then it changes things a bit :-)

[Ellipsis]

> The real deal is the old deal, the WTO deal that serves the rest of the World very well indeed

Whatever deal the rest of the world has, which includes WTO and other deals, the point is they already have it. Their deals were set up over many years.

If you can give me one example of a large trading nation that tore up all its trade deals overnight, and what happened after that, I'd be interested to see it.

[-Talbot-]

It appears to me that May has secured legally binding changes that change F-all.

[Spicerack]

Maybe Ichi. But you wouldn't sit down with the equipment supplier and say 'I don't care how much you charge me, I'm not leaving without your equipment'.
Well, maybe you and the AB Brains Trust would.