Shamima Begum Baby

[smurfchops]

Has anyone seen it ? IT looks like a pile of rags to me, why does she always cover it up?

[TonyV]

Like me to, I don't know what or who to believe, lots of politicians just on bandwagon including Trump.

[Baldric]

//Balders I mentioned and posted newspaper pics of mother and child//

Yes, I saw it, just unsure how it relates to either of my posts.

[TonyV]

Balders your posts @ 19.37 and 19.43 prompted my reply, sorry if you find them irrelevant.

[agchristie]

What we can believe from her own lips is how unrepentant she is.

No wavering from me.

[jno]

it's illegal and immoral to leave anyone stateless. She should come back here because she's British, not Bangladeshi or anything else; if she's a problem (and she might well be), she's Britain's problem. Britain has been trying to shovel criminals off abroad for centuries (America, Australia): does anyone else do this with such a passion?

[fiction-factory]

>it's illegal and immoral to leave anyone stateless.

It may be illegal (we'll have to see how it pans out) but i don't see why it's immoral in these circumstances. She left in an illegal and immoral way surely.

[tonyav]

To shack up with illegal and immoral scum.

[albaqwerty]

IF she married her Dutch ''husband'' - couldn't she claim to be Dutch or the mother of a Dutch national's baby?

[agchristie]

//she's Britain's problem//

And yet JC says Britain should offer her 'support'....

[maggiebee]

Burns said it much better than I ever could:
"Man's inhumanity to man
Makes countless thousands mourn!"

[agchristie]

Yep,Manchester bombing to name one of many ...

[goodgoalie]

She is not 'stateless'. She is a member of Islamic State - that murderous death cult which she went to great lengths to run away and join. To use what is now an old-fashioned word, she is a traitor; she ran away and joined our enemy, and is not our responsibility.
Judging by her recent interviews, only now is it dawning on her what the full implications of what she did are - she will have a long time to rue her actions.

[sanmac]

As I suggested in a previous post on this thread, the is a possibility that she has not had a baby over there, and I would suggest that there has been no "marriage". She is probably aware that mentioning a baby and a marriage is going to complicate matters and perhaps sway public, and perhaps official, opinion to her benefit. I am sure that in the squalid surroundings she is inhabiting that there are lots of babies up for "adoption". Let's face it, the presence of a young baby lends a tremendous emotive factor in a situation. One poster earlier came very close to uttering "Aw, bless". Let her stay over there and reap what she has sown.

[Hopkirk]

Jeremy really knows how to alienate the British public, doesn't he?

[tonyav]

He's a DH of the first degree, Hopkirk.

[TonyV]

Hopkirk JC could be on Mastermind and use alienation as his specialist subject?

[tonyav]

Not stateless.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47310206

[Peter Pedant]

well thank God Beeb articles dont have the force of Law
it is pretty damn hopeless to be honest
as a reasonably close reading reveals

it confuses - possibly bangla from being Bangla
The Bangla lawyers who Know say that the child ( Shameem) is Bangla by reason of having Bangla parents
So she isnt entitled to it - she is a bangla national

the beeb ignores a case - al-jedda 2017 which states clearly that entitlement is not enough - it is whether the person has two

IN terms ofwondering if the Home Secretary ( 'the Sadge') can make someone stateless, they cite international law without discussing whether international law is automatically part of domestic law ( ha!) - and ignore s40 Nationality Act 1981 as amended which specifically forbids this

One funny facet ( hahahahah) is that the Been have taken the words of the Bangla Foreign ministry as words of Gospel tgruth ( ha!). They state ( or 'aver') that it is nothing to do with them and she is nothing to do with them either
( well they would - wouldnt they?)
and the opinions of our own dear Home and foreign office as arguable at best .....
and the same for the Dutch - if someone who like Edam cheese says she is not Dutch then she aint no matter what ....

[sanmac]

Peter, Tonyav, at 2319 said state less, not state more:)

[bodeker]

Theland 20.13 I remember vividly seeing the children and their parents being gassed and killed in Syria when the war started and thinking why is no-one going in to stop this and dear God how many years later is this and how many people have been slaughtered and I still feel sick when I see this on the news so I don't have a lot of sympathy her , for her baby yes , but she went out there willingly .