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I'll go with no deal rather than the "in all but name" - "deal" from Treason May.
I'll go with no deal rather than the "in all but name" - "deal" from Treason May.
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Me too.
But here’s the kicker... we aren’t the ones to convince. It’s the MPs and mainly the remain MPs that are goin* to have a problem.
Labour are likely to be instrumental in getting her deal kicked into touch. But then they will demand a vote. The *** deal or stay in. And not as it should be.. the *** deal or leave with no deal.
But here’s the kicker... we aren’t the ones to convince. It’s the MPs and mainly the remain MPs that are goin* to have a problem.
Labour are likely to be instrumental in getting her deal kicked into touch. But then they will demand a vote. The *** deal or stay in. And not as it should be.. the *** deal or leave with no deal.
The Times.
// The European Union is secretly preparing to accept a frictionless Irish border after Brexit in a move that raises the prospect of Theresa May striking a deal by the end of the year.
In a concession to British concerns, EU negotiators want to use technological solutions to minimise customs checks between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic.
Under the EU plan, goods could be tracked using barcodes on shipping containers under “trusted-trader” schemes administered by registered companies. This would remove the need for new border infrastructure.
A sticking point in the talks to date has been how to avoid the return of a “hard” border in Northern Ireland with new checks or controls amid fears that it could lead to renewed conflict. //
// The European Union is secretly preparing to accept a frictionless Irish border after Brexit in a move that raises the prospect of Theresa May striking a deal by the end of the year.
In a concession to British concerns, EU negotiators want to use technological solutions to minimise customs checks between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic.
Under the EU plan, goods could be tracked using barcodes on shipping containers under “trusted-trader” schemes administered by registered companies. This would remove the need for new border infrastructure.
A sticking point in the talks to date has been how to avoid the return of a “hard” border in Northern Ireland with new checks or controls amid fears that it could lead to renewed conflict. //
The EU are probably now keen to get an agreement, in case Theresa May is toppled and they have to negotiate with Boris
All this no deal talk is rubbish. We know from past negotiations with Mrs Thatcher and Mr Major, that it always goes to deadline day, and overnight discussions but finally agreement is reached.
The EU know they can't afford no deal.
All this no deal talk is rubbish. We know from past negotiations with Mrs Thatcher and Mr Major, that it always goes to deadline day, and overnight discussions but finally agreement is reached.
The EU know they can't afford no deal.
“Under the EU plan, goods could be tracked using barcodes on shipping containers under “trusted-trader” schemes administered by registered companies.”
i.e. in the same way as >95% of all other goods arriving into the EU via the UK are currently checked.
“A sticking point in the talks to date has been how to avoid the return of a “hard” border in Northern Ireland with new checks or controls amid fears that it could lead to renewed conflict.”
Actually, in the talks to date nobody has actually suggested how a hard border might be imposed. Both the UK and Ireland have stated categorically that they will not impose one. The EU has neither the resources nor the authority to do so. The Irish border is simply being used as a red herring to extract yet more concessions from the UK and the UK negotiators are allowing that to happen (see below).
It’s abundantly clear that Mrs May is steering the country towards “BRINO” (Brexit In Name Only) because neither she nor her lieutenants actually want to see a successful and proper Brexit. I just hope that Parliament finds a way to stop that and to respect the wishes that the majority of those who voted in the referendum expressed. But I'm not holding my breath.
i.e. in the same way as >95% of all other goods arriving into the EU via the UK are currently checked.
“A sticking point in the talks to date has been how to avoid the return of a “hard” border in Northern Ireland with new checks or controls amid fears that it could lead to renewed conflict.”
Actually, in the talks to date nobody has actually suggested how a hard border might be imposed. Both the UK and Ireland have stated categorically that they will not impose one. The EU has neither the resources nor the authority to do so. The Irish border is simply being used as a red herring to extract yet more concessions from the UK and the UK negotiators are allowing that to happen (see below).
It’s abundantly clear that Mrs May is steering the country towards “BRINO” (Brexit In Name Only) because neither she nor her lieutenants actually want to see a successful and proper Brexit. I just hope that Parliament finds a way to stop that and to respect the wishes that the majority of those who voted in the referendum expressed. But I'm not holding my breath.
The "Groucho Marx" principle is definitely appropriate.
The EU has no intention of agreeing to a deal that is in any way beneficial to the UK. So precious is their "project" that they will do anything to protect it, including seeing trade between the UK and many of the EU's countries severely hampered. The UK must pay for its folly and life must be made extremely difficult for us in order to discourage other nations from being so foolish.
So it follows that any "deal" agreed will be weighted heavily in the EU's favour with the odd one or two "concessions" thrown in to demonstrate goodwill. This has been apparent from day one and I don't blame the EU. We are leaving the club and so should no longer enjoy its benefits. But I only wished our stupid politicians understood this themselves right from the start. We then could have begun the "negotiations" by saying "We are leaving lock, stock and barrel. However we'd love to continue a sensible relationship with you as our neighbours so let's talk about issues - such as trade, passports, driving licences and flights - necessary to keep life going on as pleasantly as possible." Instead we spent six months arguing over a bill for our departure and have spent the last eighteen months discussing how the two pennyworth of trade that crosses the Irish Border will be tackled.
The EU has no intention of agreeing to a deal that is in any way beneficial to the UK. So precious is their "project" that they will do anything to protect it, including seeing trade between the UK and many of the EU's countries severely hampered. The UK must pay for its folly and life must be made extremely difficult for us in order to discourage other nations from being so foolish.
So it follows that any "deal" agreed will be weighted heavily in the EU's favour with the odd one or two "concessions" thrown in to demonstrate goodwill. This has been apparent from day one and I don't blame the EU. We are leaving the club and so should no longer enjoy its benefits. But I only wished our stupid politicians understood this themselves right from the start. We then could have begun the "negotiations" by saying "We are leaving lock, stock and barrel. However we'd love to continue a sensible relationship with you as our neighbours so let's talk about issues - such as trade, passports, driving licences and flights - necessary to keep life going on as pleasantly as possible." Instead we spent six months arguing over a bill for our departure and have spent the last eighteen months discussing how the two pennyworth of trade that crosses the Irish Border will be tackled.
"BRINO is the worst of all worlds yet it is something this government and remainers seem to want."
I'm not sure that is quite correct. Remainers I know ALL dont want it either since it puts us in a worse position than before the vote with regard to the EU.
It is the remoaners that want it as they, just like the EU, will bite their nose off to spite their face to get their way.
I'm not sure that is quite correct. Remainers I know ALL dont want it either since it puts us in a worse position than before the vote with regard to the EU.
It is the remoaners that want it as they, just like the EU, will bite their nose off to spite their face to get their way.
We, individually, may not be given the choice, but we can have opinions, and we have MPs we can contact with our view (if they hope for re-election next GE).
We must not accept any "deal" where we are obliged to conform to rules or rule changes created/modified by the other side without our agreement. Not can we accept any "deal" which seeks to split off NI from the rest of the UK. Otherwise we'd be fighting to correct an almighty mess for years to come.
If someone says that, "It's my way or the highway", then the highway (aka no-deal) is what it must be. Commerce has had two years to prepare, it's no good any company belly-aching at this late stage that their highly paid board and managers turned out to be useless, paid under false pretences possibly due to who they knew, and they can't cope with change.
We must not accept any "deal" where we are obliged to conform to rules or rule changes created/modified by the other side without our agreement. Not can we accept any "deal" which seeks to split off NI from the rest of the UK. Otherwise we'd be fighting to correct an almighty mess for years to come.
If someone says that, "It's my way or the highway", then the highway (aka no-deal) is what it must be. Commerce has had two years to prepare, it's no good any company belly-aching at this late stage that their highly paid board and managers turned out to be useless, paid under false pretences possibly due to who they knew, and they can't cope with change.
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