Oh Now She’S Uncompromising. Should’Ve Done That With The Eu At The Start

[cassa333]

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1015348342140866560

As was suspected, a sell out and no Brexit.

Well done. We will be a broken country in no time because she has given the EU exactly what they wanted. Free trade and alignment. But got chuff all back in financial services.

Woohoo the remainers have ruined the country. Bet their glad now.

[youngmafbog]

"Knowing the EU is intransigent isn’t the preserve of leave voters. "

So why do so many remainers seem to think a deal can be done? Even if we reversed the leave the EU would punish us and make us rejoin forcing the Euro and Schengen on us, you do realise that?

Krom, I think you are right I was trying to see some positives but like I said earlier I find it hard to buy the long game with useless May.

[Kromovaracun]

I think Remainers 'hope' a deal can be done rather than think it's highly likely. The point Z_M is alluding to (I think) is that Remainers believed that choosing Brexit would realistically put us in an extremely poor position strategically with very few positive outcomes. Which looks very much like the situation we are in now.

[Zacs-Master]

Correct, Kromo.

Where’s your evidence that remainers think a deal can be done, YMB?

[naomi24]

This whole circus is increasingly depressing.

[andy-hughes]

I continually fail to understand why people don't grasp the concept of 'negotiation'.

The government is tied into negotiations, and they are not going to reveal every twist and turn to the media, so the media makes it up, to ratchet up the hostility, and sell more papers.

We will know what any deal is, when it is concluded, not while it is being negotiated, so the constant hang-wringing is a waste of time.

Let's wait and see, shall we?

[ichkeria]

Everything is moving on slowly as predicted and will no doubt somehow sort itself out. This agreement is a huge step forward. We will leave the EU and people will realise that it isn’t going to make everything better. People will have no more control than they had before.

[Old_Geezer]

We’re only in this situation because the minority did their utmost to prevent us leaving. That part is obvious.

[gulliver1]

Starting to look like, Brexit might not mean Brexit.[ completely ], perhaps we will be known as
UKEU, OR EUUK, OR even NOBREX ?. sounds good to me.

[scooping]

May out. In Gove or Rees-Mogg or even Andrea. Time to get established before next general election. Can't be worse than May staying.

[naomi24]

//People [our government?] will have no more control than they had before.//

That, unfortunately, will be the eventual outcome.

[Kromovaracun]

//
We’re only in this situation because the minority did their utmost to prevent us leaving.//

... do you honestly believe that?

[Old_Geezer]

Some do know what negotiation is and it's not about making an offer way past your red lines at any time, let alone way before the final moments. That just giving in to the other side of the table because the leader of your team wasn't up to the job given them.

[Old_Geezer]

I honestly believe that the Pope is Catholic and bears defecate in the woods too. Was that really a serious question ?

[Kromovaracun]

//
Everything is moving on slowly as predicted and will no doubt somehow sort itself out. This agreement is a huge step forward. We will leave the EU and people will realise that it isn’t going to make everything better.//

Unfortunately ich, I think it's more likely that a betrayal narrative (think "November Criminals") as we're seeing here will take hold and Brexit will remain an impossible fantasy over "what could have been."

Which is very sad, and potentially very damaging. But it seems like the more probable outcome to me.

[Kromovaracun]

O_G the reason why Remainers like May have ended up being in charge of the withdrawal is because all the Leavers promptly abandoned responsibility and passed up the chance to make their fantasies a reality.

I realise that Remainers expressing opinions annoys you but the reason we've ended up with this plan is because the Leave camp abdicated any form of responsibility.

[naomi24]

Krom, apart from the proportion of that minority who haven't stopped making their objections clear, some of that minority also included many of our MPs, so, yes, I believe it. Don't tell me the 'Not me Guv' syndrome is kicking in already.

[Old_Geezer]

Mocking is a good tactic when others point out something and one wishes to deny it. Its clear May has achieved nothing so far, and so betrayal is an apt description if the plan is accepted. 'Narrative' isn't a reasonable description.

And, "might have been" isn't the issue so much unless one's considering, "could have been sorted now rather than in the decades of argument and disruption to come".

[Kromovaracun]

//apart from the proportion of that minority who haven't stopped making their objections clear,//

They have the right to free speech, Naomi. Especially when it comes to the most important political issue of the day. I'm not sure what you're suggesting they should have done.

The reason for this outcome is that Brexiteers (with perhaps the one exception of Davis) passed the buck and chickened out of actually leading the country through this, and left it to the people who didn't believe in it.

[Old_Geezer]

Fantasy isn't a relevant description either. And one needs party support to get elected leader. As usual a comprise occured and May got in.

[naomi24]

Yes, we’re all entitled to free speech, Krom, just as we're entitled to expect the result of a democratic vote to be respected.